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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#441 - 2015-11-19 23:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
afkalt wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
afkalt wrote:
All my primary characters have those skills, because that was the way to shortcut to command ships before the change.

LD V should be a stock skill for everyone though. Absolutely without exception, so it's not really that bad.


I was looking forward to this ship, I still am, But I will not be flying it it seems.

If I had trained links before the racial destroyer change, and before the command ship changes, well, then I would be of a different opinion.

So, I will watch others enjoy it instead.

I imagine everyone in the same position will come to the same conclusions.
Now if these skills let me fly "real" command ships, without the everlasting train, then My opinion would match yours.



LD V isn't about links, it's about squad commander positions and cascading the actual booster, hence "mandatory".

If your SC dies, you need everyone in the fleet able to slide up immediately.

This is why I say it is mandatory.

Unless you're exclusively solo...in which case, yeah bummer.


That makes sense, but there are usually enough in fleet that trained these when they gave the command ship access, not to matter.
Why leadership V though? You only need leadership 1 to command a squadron? The Bonus is not that high compared to the bonuses from fleet? /booster. That have priority?
But as a rank 1 skill, it does at least have some use.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Zuzzin
Tewhanau
#442 - 2015-11-19 23:50:36 UTC
Can I move asteroids?
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#443 - 2015-11-19 23:57:22 UTC
Zuzzin wrote:
Can I move asteroids?



That is interesting, worth testing on sisi.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#444 - 2015-11-20 00:02:48 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Moraguth wrote:
motie one wrote:
afkalt wrote:
"fit" and "bonus to effectiveness" are not the same thing.

I can FIT autocannons to a thorax, but it is not BONUSED for them.



Hence no one (hardly ever) flies battlecruisers as link ships.
Same will apply to this, as it is so limited in the link role, shame the primary role is restricted to those users by requirements for running it that way.

And I agree the fact you can fit autocannons should not be a prerequisite for flying a thorax either. Or for that matter medium hybrids?

You should not be able to fit a warfare link without the skills, not need the skills to fly the ship
If you cannot fit the link due to skills, you cannot gain the bonus.
So, with that in mind, why are the skills to fit a warfare link a prerequisite to fly the ship?


For the same reason you need advanced skills to fly command ships or any other T2/3 variant, these new T2 destroyers require additional skills related to the role they are intended to fulfill. You can fly them any way you want, and not utilize their specializations, but your character has to at least understand the concepts of those specializations to sit in the ship.

Why? Because that's the way the game works and should continue to work.


Warfare link skills are not needed to fly a T3
And this is a new class of ships, that is under discusion as to final features, that was billed as a T2 destroyer with a special are of effect micro jump drive. Only recently has this been changed to include links as its primary prerequisites, and even tonight on O7 this microjump role was being discussed and links were never what the ship is about. So why apart from a sexy name, has it become unavailable to so many?

There will be a lot of very disappointed and annoyed people, who see it as the skill sink that it is.

Yes, with the implants, and the right attributes it is only a couple of weeks, plus racial destroyers, plus microjump skills, plus command destroyers to at least 4, so It will end up in the hands of older players, who had the racial destroyer bonus, and the command ships bonus, and be a completely missed opportunity, instead of an engaging new playchoice that a T2 destroyer would have been.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#445 - 2015-11-20 00:11:05 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Moraguth wrote:
motie one wrote:
afkalt wrote:
"fit" and "bonus to effectiveness" are not the same thing.

I can FIT autocannons to a thorax, but it is not BONUSED for them.



Hence no one (hardly ever) flies battlecruisers as link ships.
Same will apply to this, as it is so limited in the link role, shame the primary role is restricted to those users by requirements for running it that way.

And I agree the fact you can fit autocannons should not be a prerequisite for flying a thorax either. Or for that matter medium hybrids?

You should not be able to fit a warfare link without the skills, not need the skills to fly the ship
If you cannot fit the link due to skills, you cannot gain the bonus.
So, with that in mind, why are the skills to fit a warfare link a prerequisite to fly the ship?


For the same reason you need advanced skills to fly command ships or any other T2/3 variant, these new T2 destroyers require additional skills related to the role they are intended to fulfill. You can fly them any way you want, and not utilize their specializations, but your character has to at least understand the concepts of those specializations to sit in the ship.

Why? Because that's the way the game works and should continue to work.


Warfare link skills are not needed to fly a T3
And this is a new class of ships, that is under discusion as to final features, that was billed as a T2 destroyer with a special are of effect micro jump drive. Only recently has this been changed to include links as its primary prerequisites, and even tonight on O7 this microjump role was being discussed and links were never discussed, at all, zip, nada. So why apart from a sexy name, has it become unavailable to so many?



this is the first time it has been shown and it inculdes links. also how is less than 10days training make something unavailable? can i use that line when they add the next new ship?
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#446 - 2015-11-20 00:13:00 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
afkalt wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
afkalt wrote:
All my primary characters have those skills, because that was the way to shortcut to command ships before the change.

LD V should be a stock skill for everyone though. Absolutely without exception, so it's not really that bad.


I was looking forward to this ship, I still am, But I will not be flying it it seems.

If I had trained links before the racial destroyer change, and before the command ship changes, well, then I would be of a different opinion.

So, I will watch others enjoy it instead.

I imagine everyone in the same position will come to the same conclusions.
Now if these skills let me fly "real" command ships, without the everlasting train, then My opinion would match yours.



LD V isn't about links, it's about squad commander positions and cascading the actual booster, hence "mandatory".

If your SC dies, you need everyone in the fleet able to slide up immediately.

This is why I say it is mandatory.

Unless you're exclusively solo...in which case, yeah bummer.


That makes sense, but there are usually enough in fleet that trained these when they gave the command ship access, not to matter.
Why leadership V though? You only need leadership 1 to command a squadron? The Bonus is not that high compared to the bonuses from fleet? /booster. That have priority?
But as a rank 1 skill, it does at least have some use.




leadership 5 is needed to have 10 people in the squad. with leadership one and you take over squad command to keep the boosts being given to your squad it wont work as your squad is to big.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#447 - 2015-11-20 00:17:11 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
afkalt wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
afkalt wrote:
All my primary characters have those skills, because that was the way to shortcut to command ships before the change.

LD V should be a stock skill for everyone though. Absolutely without exception, so it's not really that bad.


I was looking forward to this ship, I still am, But I will not be flying it it seems.

If I had trained links before the racial destroyer change, and before the command ship changes, well, then I would be of a different opinion.

So, I will watch others enjoy it instead.

I imagine everyone in the same position will come to the same conclusions.
Now if these skills let me fly "real" command ships, without the everlasting train, then My opinion would match yours.



LD V isn't about links, it's about squad commander positions and cascading the actual booster, hence "mandatory".

If your SC dies, you need everyone in the fleet able to slide up immediately.

This is why I say it is mandatory.

Unless you're exclusively solo...in which case, yeah bummer.


That makes sense, but there are usually enough in fleet that trained these when they gave the command ship access, not to matter.
Why leadership V though? You only need leadership 1 to command a squadron? The Bonus is not that high compared to the bonuses from fleet? /booster. That have priority?
But as a rank 1 skill, it does at least have some use.




leadership 5 is needed to have 10 people in the squad. with leadership one and you take over squad command to keep the boosts being given to your squad it wont work as your squad is to big.


Thanks for that, that is a good reason. Makes sense.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#448 - 2015-11-20 00:18:46 UTC
motie one wrote:
Lady Rift wrote:
motie one wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
motie one wrote:



No one with a whit of sense will train leadership skills to V and link skills to IV to use these ships as a MJFG equipped ship. So you are restricting them to those who already have these skills or are training them anyway.


You are complaining about less than 10 days of skill trbaining to fly a T2 ship? One of which is Leadership V - a very useful skill...



Useful in it's way, so is mining and Pi, lots of skills are useful if you wish to follow that path/career.

but apart from naming them late in the day command destroyers, is irrelevant, less effective with links than a T1 battlecruiser that does not enforce link skills to fly it, and totally incomparable to how effective a true command ship is, where the prerequisites make some kind of sense. Should we make this a requirement for T3's and battlecruisers before we can fly them?
The idea of them being a T2 ship was absolutely fine, adding this linky command afterthought,for basic linking, and restricting it to force those skills is not.

So as I say, disappointing, and a good idea weakened through not keeping the concept of a new idea uncomplicated with feature creep. And causing many who would use it not to be interested due to the least important feature of the ship, dominating who can fly it.

I would contend that just trying to create skill training sinks without considering the main role of the ship, is not a good idea if you wish players to feel engaged.

But of course those with the skills already, are highly unlikely to use their link alts in active, engaged, play, not involving being sat semi afk at a safe, where they will usually lose their ship, with a "hero" save for the fleet. So no doubt feel all is good. They will still play in the heart of the fleet, relegating the link alt, to minor attention.

It is only those who will actually use them that will be forced to train , for them, useless skills, so all is good I guess?


this has a bonus to links. t1 battlecruisers do not if they did i would expect that leaderships would be required to fly them.


http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Myrmidon can fit warfare link modules

You only need the skills if you fit them not to fly the ship.

Look at the ship, it is hardly going to be used as an alternative to a command ship or a T3, it can not even compete with an unbonused battlecruiser, it is a T2 destroyer that had a role rammed into it at the last minute, and THAT causes the prerequisites, even though it is an appallingly poor choice in that role.

So for it's primary role, one cannot fly it, without training for a role it will almost never be used for. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Warfare_links

You cannot get the bonus, without fitting the link, you cannot fit the link without the skills. Why should you not fly the ship without the skills to fit the warfare link if you are not fitting it?



the ship doesnt require the skills to actually use any links. BC have no bonus to links. these links will be stronger than the bc's you can fit 2-3 on one. the jump drive doesnt shut off links.


there is a whole set of leadership skills that don't require mods to make use of.


t3's are special people are going to have to get over that fact sometime.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#449 - 2015-11-20 00:20:10 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
afkalt wrote:
All my primary characters have those skills, because that was the way to shortcut to command ships before the change.

LD V should be a stock skill for everyone though. Absolutely without exception, so it's not really that bad.


I was looking forward to this ship, I still am, But I will not be flying it it seems.

If I had trained links before the racial destroyer change, and before the command ship changes, well, then I would be of a different opinion.

So, I will watch others enjoy it instead.

I imagine everyone in the same position will come to the same conclusions.
Now if these skills let me fly "real" command ships, without the everlasting train, then My opinion would match yours.
But the reality is most people who have link skills trained, are on their link alts, which are unlikely to be combat trained unless they are trained for command ships, and they will be older players who did so before the changes, that made them such a long train. Newer alts, will tend to be highly focused and will not fly these, and newer mains will not have trained link skills.

So in short, these ships will be mainly flown by multi year old players.


You do not have to train all the Leadership skills to fly these ships. Leadership V is a ridiculously useful skill, except for a true solo player with no friends and no alts. All of my characters already have it, even if they had no other leadership skills. It's clear that CCP threw Warfare Link Specialist IV on there as a bit of an additional time sink and to justify them being "specialized" T2 ships.

My off-spec Frigate/Destroyer specialist requires a total of five days training to use these awesome new ships. So what if Warfare Link Specialist IV is not used for anything else? It would hardly be the first relatively useless skill - at least it makes sense from a naming convention point of view. Contrast that with High Energy Physics IV, which was originally announced as the prerequisite for the Bastion module, now I have three characters with that skill, which does nothing at all for them, and probably never will. In the same vein, I don't really have much use for Electronics Upgrades V, but I trained it so I could fly a Covert Ops and Recon ships. That takes twice as long as training Warfare Link Specialist IV...

I suppose they could have really ****** with us and made Micro Jump Drive Operation V mandatory or something like that (imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth in that case! Twisted ). Maybe CCP should do that instead?

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#450 - 2015-11-20 00:21:59 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Moraguth wrote:
motie one wrote:
afkalt wrote:
"fit" and "bonus to effectiveness" are not the same thing.

I can FIT autocannons to a thorax, but it is not BONUSED for them.



Hence no one (hardly ever) flies battlecruisers as link ships.
Same will apply to this, as it is so limited in the link role, shame the primary role is restricted to those users by requirements for running it that way.

And I agree the fact you can fit autocannons should not be a prerequisite for flying a thorax either. Or for that matter medium hybrids?

You should not be able to fit a warfare link without the skills, not need the skills to fly the ship
If you cannot fit the link due to skills, you cannot gain the bonus.
So, with that in mind, why are the skills to fit a warfare link a prerequisite to fly the ship?


For the same reason you need advanced skills to fly command ships or any other T2/3 variant, these new T2 destroyers require additional skills related to the role they are intended to fulfill. You can fly them any way you want, and not utilize their specializations, but your character has to at least understand the concepts of those specializations to sit in the ship.

Why? Because that's the way the game works and should continue to work.


Warfare link skills are not needed to fly a T3
And this is a new class of ships, that is under discusion as to final features, that was billed as a T2 destroyer with a special are of effect micro jump drive. Only recently has this been changed to include links as its primary prerequisites, and even tonight on O7 this microjump role was being discussed and links were never discussed, at all, zip, nada. So why apart from a sexy name, has it become unavailable to so many?



this is the first time it has been shown and it inculdes links. also how is less than 10days training make something unavailable? can i use that line when they add the next new ship?


Hmm I have leadership IV, and skill queue shows over 14 days to train, plus however long the new command destroyer skill takes, to at least 4. Probably another 10 days or so? It does not seem to need racial destroyer to V though, so that's something.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#451 - 2015-11-20 00:24:25 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:


Hmm I have leadership IV, and skill queue shows over 14 days to train, plus however long the new command destroyer skill takes, to at least 4. Probably another 10 days or so? It does not seem to need racial destroyer to V though, so that's something.


CCP already confirmed that you will need the appropriate Racial Destroyer V to fly these ships.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#452 - 2015-11-20 00:30:18 UTC
motie one wrote:
afkalt wrote:
"fit" and "bonus to effectiveness" are not the same thing.

I can FIT autocannons to a thorax, but it is not BONUSED for them.



Hence no one (hardly ever) flies battlecruisers as link ships.
Same will apply to this, as it is so limited in the link role, shame the primary role is restricted to those users by requirements for running it that way.

And I agree the fact you can fit autocannons should not be a prerequisite for flying a thorax either. Or for that matter medium hybrids?

You should not be able to fit a warfare link without the skills, not need the skills to fly the ship
If you cannot fit the link due to skills, you cannot gain the bonus.
So, with that in mind, why are the skills to fit a warfare link a prerequisite to fly the ship?

Anyway as stated on the O7 show CCP rise is going on holiday until just before release, so expect these to Flop hard! After the pilots with link alts try them out and then forget them forever after the first week, because one would have to be a really special snowflake to train link skills on one's main when they are so up in the air, regarding eliminating OGB, until that is resolved.

What a wasted opportunity.

The same reason any skill that is t directly related to the ship is required.

There are dozens of ships with skills you could argue away as useless for what you want. It doesn't necessarily justify my desire to fly a mining Titan and not want to train the skills for jump drives and jump portals and leadership V
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#453 - 2015-11-20 00:31:56 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
FT Diomedes wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:


Hmm I have leadership IV, and skill queue shows over 14 days to train, plus however long the new command destroyer skill takes, to at least 4. Probably another 10 days or so? It does not seem to need racial destroyer to V though, so that's something.


CCP already confirmed that you will need the appropriate Racial Destroyer V to fly these ships.


Well even though I have that on two races, many will not.

Is not racial destroyer V and the need to train command destroyers to Iv or so to be effective, not a sufficient Skill sink? Do they really have to add leadership and link skills as well if they want people to bother training into them?

It is only my opinion, but I feel the addition of the link skills as a prerequisite to even fly the ship as excessive, to use warfare links, sure, thats reasonable, but just to fly the ship? I think they will disappoint rather than delight.

However one justifies that, it is generally not a wise choice from a customer relations viewpoint.

Come December a lot of people looking forward to this, who do not read this thread or test on sisi, are going to feel they have been slapped in the face, instead of having a new toy to play with.

Is that really a good idea?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#454 - 2015-11-20 00:53:00 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Rowells wrote:
motie one wrote:
afkalt wrote:
"fit" and "bonus to effectiveness" are not the same thing.

I can FIT autocannons to a thorax, but it is not BONUSED for them.



Hence no one (hardly ever) flies battlecruisers as link ships.
Same will apply to this, as it is so limited in the link role, shame the primary role is restricted to those users by requirements for running it that way.

And I agree the fact you can fit autocannons should not be a prerequisite for flying a thorax either. Or for that matter medium hybrids?

You should not be able to fit a warfare link without the skills, not need the skills to fly the ship
If you cannot fit the link due to skills, you cannot gain the bonus.
So, with that in mind, why are the skills to fit a warfare link a prerequisite to fly the ship?

Anyway as stated on the O7 show CCP rise is going on holiday until just before release, so expect these to Flop hard! After the pilots with link alts try them out and then forget them forever after the first week, because one would have to be a really special snowflake to train link skills on one's main when they are so up in the air, regarding eliminating OGB, until that is resolved.

What a wasted opportunity.

The same reason any skill that is t directly related to the ship is required.

There are dozens of ships with skills you could argue away as useless for what you want. It doesn't necessarily justify my desire to fly a mining Titan and not want to train the skills for jump drives and jump portals and leadership V



You are aware we are talking of skills relating to a destroyer here aren't you? And how relevent they are to this class of ships? And whether it is a good idea to boost up just how exciting the new area of effect mjd is , for the customer to discover, he has to then train destroyers to 5 , the new command destroyer skill, all the other skills for destroyer combat if he has not already got them, all the support skills too in order to survive using it? And than to add insult to injury warfare links to IV with the prerequisite for leadership V.

Now no one should expect to fly a T2 ship without support skills, It is quite normal, to train the racial ship to V. For a T2 ship. And there is always a new skill to learn for a new class. People might grumble and come to accept that.

But then adding on the warfare link requirement, is just going to annoy people unnecessarily.

Not a good way to make players feel happy with their new "present"

It appears that there are some who believe this may be a bad choice.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
zhang elliott
Stygian Boatmen
#455 - 2015-11-20 01:07:27 UTC
I still wait patiently for a cow-ops/EW/ECCM battle cruiser with an area effect cloak, and web drones worth a damn.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#456 - 2015-11-20 01:33:05 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Well even though I have that on two races, many will not.

Is not racial destroyer V and the need to train command destroyers to Iv or so to be effective, not a sufficient Skill sink?
Looking at all the current T2 ship prerequisites currently in place, no. There are always some other skill that need trained.

epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Do they really have to add leadership and link skills as well if they want people to bother training into them?

It is only my opinion, but I feel the addition of the link skills as a prerequisite to even fly the ship as excessive, to use warfare links, sure, thats reasonable, but just to fly the ship? I think they will disappoint rather than delight.
Do they need to? No, Though really it's no more onerous that the trains for an interdictor considering the skills involved that one might not otherwise train to 5 for a destroyer.

epicurus ataraxia wrote:
However one justifies that, it is generally not a wise choice from a customer relations viewpoint.

Come December a lot of people looking forward to this, who do not read this thread or test on sisi, are going to feel they have been slapped in the face, instead of having a new toy to play with.

Is that really a good idea?
Not sure what you're trying to appeal to here, the idea that they should break away from the way T2 training has worked because some people don't have the skills? The customer base that would potentially draw issue here is the same one that has been dealing with this same type of training for quite a while. Why would this one be a particular problem?
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#457 - 2015-11-20 01:36:14 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Rowells wrote:
motie one wrote:
afkalt wrote:
"fit" and "bonus to effectiveness" are not the same thing.

I can FIT autocannons to a thorax, but it is not BONUSED for them.



Hence no one (hardly ever) flies battlecruisers as link ships.
Same will apply to this, as it is so limited in the link role, shame the primary role is restricted to those users by requirements for running it that way.

And I agree the fact you can fit autocannons should not be a prerequisite for flying a thorax either. Or for that matter medium hybrids?

You should not be able to fit a warfare link without the skills, not need the skills to fly the ship
If you cannot fit the link due to skills, you cannot gain the bonus.
So, with that in mind, why are the skills to fit a warfare link a prerequisite to fly the ship?

Anyway as stated on the O7 show CCP rise is going on holiday until just before release, so expect these to Flop hard! After the pilots with link alts try them out and then forget them forever after the first week, because one would have to be a really special snowflake to train link skills on one's main when they are so up in the air, regarding eliminating OGB, until that is resolved.

What a wasted opportunity.

The same reason any skill that is t directly related to the ship is required.

There are dozens of ships with skills you could argue away as useless for what you want. It doesn't necessarily justify my desire to fly a mining Titan and not want to train the skills for jump drives and jump portals and leadership V



You are aware we are talking of skills relating to a destroyer here aren't you? And how relevent they are to this class of ships? And whether it is a good idea to boost up just how exciting the new area of effect mjd is , for the customer to discover, he has to then train destroyers to 5 , the new command destroyer skill, all the other skills for destroyer combat if he has not already got them, all the support skills too in order to survive using it? And than to add insult to injury warfare links to IV with the prerequisite for leadership V.

Now no one should expect to fly a T2 ship without support skills, It is quite normal, to train the racial ship to V. For a T2 ship. And there is always a new skill to learn for a new class. People might grumble and come to accept that.

But then adding on the warfare link requirement, is just going to annoy people unnecessarily.

Not a good way to make players feel happy with their new "present"

It appears that there are some who believe this may be a bad choice.

It seems to me, that there seems to be an upset with the fact that any skills have to be trained at all. And my example still stands, I dont want to use the ship for one of of it's roles, doesn't mean i don't have to train the skill for it them.

and unless I missed something, its already a shorter train than interdictors by a significant amount. Which, by the way, is another ship that requires a useless skill (graviton physics) to just sit in the hull, even if i dont want to use bubbles. For such an interesting ship, it is definitely worth the skill train. MJGD, links, and decent combat ability? good lord, my sabre is going to be jealous. The skill will be useful. If the pilot chooses not to use it, then it is his own decision that devalues the train time.

In fact, a destroyer sized link-ship is something I have been waiting for, for a very long time. And I will adjust my skillplan to move leadership skills up faster, not so I can fly it (already have that), but so I can fully utilize its bonuses.

I about messed myself in public when I first read the post.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#458 - 2015-11-20 01:38:50 UTC
zhang elliott wrote:
I still wait patiently for a cow-ops/EW/ECCM battle cruiser with an area effect cloak, and web drones worth a damn.

O_O
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#459 - 2015-11-20 02:54:23 UTC
To the person complaining about having to train Leadership 5 and Warfare Link Specialist 4, why don't you train for a Command Ship? Then come and talk to me about the long train time for a Command Destroyer.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#460 - 2015-11-20 03:12:11 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:


Hmm I have leadership IV, and skill queue shows over 14 days to train, plus however long the new command destroyer skill takes, to at least 4. Probably another 10 days or so? It does not seem to need racial destroyer to V though, so that's something.



to go from leadership 0 to leader ship 5, and then Warfare link Specialist 0 to 4 is 12 days on a neutral remap.