EVE General Discussion

Completely ridiculous post Jill, the BS fleet were probably seeking out content



As you most politely put.

unbalanced when you compare to scale. Webs, scrams, and disruptions exactly the same as ECM.

Plz name a 500m (Combat) ship without Drones. I will concede industrial ships and what not, but even most of those have Drones at that price range (Orca, Rorqual, and mining barges do, at least). Seriously name one ship that costs 500m that doesn't have drones, Maybe some Alliance Tourny thing?

I will admit I'm not a 100% solo player. I mostly fly in gangs. That said I have engaged gangs in blingy ships and taken some down. The thing that MAKES solo PVP in this game cool is because of how hard it is. You can already do really well as a 1 vs n00b gang. Lots of people do it. Look up EVE is Easy on Youtube. I've also been in gangs that were beaten by 3 or less ships, and we were in proper fit ships with experienced pilots.

Also PvP record insulted by forum alt

Battleships are not supposed to be WTFBBQPWN-mobiles. They are supposed to deliver large amounts of hurt onto big and slow targets.

quote from: wiki.eveuniversity.org/Battleship


If people don't know that BS are vulnerable to frigates, it's their own fault. Why blame it on other things / people ?

Oh please, "you sound like you've never xxxxx". You sound like you have no idea what you're talking about, because you don't.

Yes, everyone hates the ECM hull. You know why? Because it's a load of crap. It's the only EWAR type that turns your ship into a flying space brick of which the only viable countermeasures requires you to gimp your fitting. No wonder everyone hates it. You just countered your own argument.

And the secret to all success is bookmarks and lots of them. Everyone who succeeds has them, EWAR or not. That's something everyone should already be doing. EWAR is not exclusive to that and never has been. I couldn't care less how many bookmarks you have. Couldn't care less about your link either. Your SP is also something I refuse to care about. I spent SP on EWAR too. Amazingly enough, that SP isn't wasted even if they removed ECM from the game, save signal dispersion V. Every other EWAR skill still applies to things I use on a regular basis, only those things aren't as broken as ECM.

lol. umad, bro?

Yes ECM has a chance to turn your blinged out solowtfpwnmobile into a loot pinata. It also has a, usually larger, chance of failure. It's all down to the RNG gods.

Seriously, bring some anti-support elements in your gang and those annoying Griffins and Kitsunes suddenly turn into delicious killmails.

I fly ECM and I actually think it's a terrible part of the game. Reading all these comments one that I liked was about scalability.

Why are certain EWAR modules exempt from the model that Eve has built itself on for everything other module.

Guns - small, medium, large
Missile - small, medium, large
ships - small, medium, large
shields - small, medium, large
armour - small medium, large
Neuts - small, medium, large
Nos- small medium, large

Warp distruptor - standard
Scramble - standard
Target paintes - standard
webs - standard
ECM - standard

This for me is what is broken with EWAR in Eve. Because of this it means people can "cheat" by using inexpensive stuff. This is fine in things like FW but even in this game play blobs are inevitable. You don't see many 5 man gangs being able to hold their own anymore because the most powerful EWAR modules aren't scaled. I know some ships have a role bonus, usually these bonuses are negated by making the ship more expensive or by penalizing power or cpu.

We need a complete rethink of this part of the game. I dislike the click and watch mentality and I dislike how the unbalanced ratio of success (landing a web) versus effort/concentration needed to maintain the web drives a Lock > activate web > orbit. gameplay. It's too easy and dull and is another reason why people are forced into flying in blobs.

To make this successful i consider something more in line with a scaled increase in cap cost related to the ship that the ewar module it is fitted on (Same way Nos and Neuts work and the same way other modules are structured in Eve). Notice I said cap Cost, the cost of activating the module consider it to be the same cost as a BLOP jumping. For ECM i would do away with the chance based module, make it 100% successful but make the cost of it proportional to the ship it is fitted on as well as some sort of spool up or down time. This is where role specific ships come into their own. The point here is to do away with the huge spam web, spam disruptor, spam scram, Spam ECM, spam TP feet setups and perhaps push people down a more interesting game play, one in which requires a higher level of cordination between the fleet members. It means if you are flying solo you have to be good enough to know what you ship can and can't do and it means you have to also know your enemies ship inside and out.

i'd like the game to evolve to a point where activating modules especially EWAR modules have more consequences leading to more interesting game play.

If multi specs would be effective everyone will fly with them. That ECM is little bit balanced thanks to racial resists is a very little help. Of cause you can fit small lasers on BS. But you can not fit large guns of frigate. That is what was referenced post about, if I understood it correctly.

Everything is in it's right place.

CCP fixing broken or sub-optimal aspects of the game is hardly a bad thing and I don't know why I'd want to go back to a time before those changes occurred. The issues with ECCM and FoF missiles have already been covered; just stuffing your fingers in your ears and saying "you're wrong" proves nothing. If you are largely a PvE player this is a mechanic which hardly affects you and thus I'm not sure why you're concerned with it anyway.