EVE General Discussion

Over the years of playing eve I guess one part of the game that not only fills me with satisfaction when things go to plan but it also irritates the hell out of me, is there too much EWAR in the game?

I get that warp disruptors / scramblers and webifiers are to tie a ship down and this makes players think more about their decision to engage but personally that's the problem right there, it's made the game dull and boring because everyone has become very risk averse and will only engage in content when they are in a massive blob, why does a target need to be "locked down" .

Part of choosing to fight should also be the ability to flee but how can you do such a thing when you have 15 points stopping you and 15 webs making you go 0.4 km/s. Add jammers and a 5m ship can prevent a 3bil ship from even being able to fight back or get out.

I don't know about the majority of the people who play this game but the majority of the people i play with are all in agreement that there is too much EWAR in the game and this prevents people from "flirting" with battle and decide to play it safe.

I've been playing the game a long time and the things that once made the game fun have all been labelled with the "overpowered" title and seen the hammer come down them. I'm not saying that the result was less interesting but I think over the years this has pushed eve down a path that means the only content to have forces people into the the 10-1 outnumber fleets.

Anyway it's not a rant i'm genuinely interested to find out what the player base things of EWAR. I wish they'd redesign the hole thing to make EWAR more a active managed task then just turning on a module.

Not in my opinion. Some of it could really use a good balance pass (eg. jams), but overall the ewar adds to the variety and depth of the game and provides an advantage to knowledgeable pilots, which is ideal.

Just my 0.02 of course.


Not in my experience and targets need to be locked down:

1. so they can't just disengage
2. so that they can be slowed to control range
3. so they can be slowed to allow weapons to apply effectively

The variety that scrams, disruptors, MWD, AB, webs, etc. provide make fitting important and give multiple choices to how to approach a combat situation. I only see positives in the variety as it means combat is way more than just one fit, press F1.


15 v 1 sounds like you need more friends. That's an unfortunate situation we all find ourselves in occasionally and no amount of gtfo ability of your ship is going to have much hope except jumping a gate or docking against opponents where they are all engaged.

But, having your own equivalent fleet evens things up considerably.

Might I suggest an E-Uni course in D-Scanning?

Still, I solo PvP in FW all the time and I now very rarely get blobbed, even gate camps aren't a worry.

There is too much awar and it's about to get even worst.

How strange I was thinking about this only yesterday. I am by no means a "vet" player but I do agree EWAR takes the fun out of combat. I was happily fitting my Vindicator when I thought to myself, this will never even get used. So I immediately sold it. Reason (in my mind at least) being that I knew for a definitive fact anyone who engaged me would just pin me down (using EWAR) and orbit at range or just jam me. No way in hell would I have the dream 1v1 fair fight. Unfortunately I am learning that PvP in Eve is actually GvP (gang). This sentiment is echoed by the numerous friends I had who played Evebut quit:

"You spend months training g up racial gunnery skills believing you will have Babylon 5 style battles. What actually happens, is your ship is sat immobile while you casually watch your cap and HP dwindle without fight".

My nieve noob thoughts on the subject; evolve Eve to the point where you can target specific subsystems. Ie target propulsion - propulsion the. Takes damage similar to overheating modules. This would also incur a skill based piloting system, both defensive and offensive as the propulsion would be at the rear of the ship. Just an idea and probably one I will get flamed for.

Nice, maybe we'll start seeing reliance on electronic superiority modules.

yea, i guess that person who's getting jammed should've bought a module to increase his sensor strength.

I mean like, since the players themselves have the ability to augment their susceptibility to jams yet choose not to, might as well ask CCP to remove jamming all together to save us from having to make a choice.

I don't think OP did, we all know the situation when it comes to engaging and finding out there is a 20 man blob coming for you there is a difference and I wouldn't call your "not being able to run away" being risk averse.

I mostly play solo (and/or with alts) and run into Ewar quite often, it can be REALLY annoying. Then again, I use Ewar myself and as I'm not a hypocrite that means that if I'm fine with using it I'm also fine with it being used against me. On top of that I see no problems in some zero tactics, headfirst small group/fleet full of "dps ships" to be completely and utterly destroyed by a way more tactical mix of both dps and Ewar.

Having said that, there IS an issue with "20 Celestis/Blackbirds lol" (can you tell I never do large clown fleets? :P) and honestly I see no real way to change that without completely neutering Ewar as a whole.