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A Thanks to the Caldari Milita
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Calliste Dauvienne
Doomheim
#81 - 2015-11-25 00:27:21 UTC
This discussion very much reminds me of when a Caldari Mega is contracted to fulfill a member-state shipping, security, or communications Federal franchise. It still remains remarkably amusing to me the number of self-professed, "Patriots," Who will wax their patriotic platitudes and talk of treason while remaining ignorant of the constitutional and charter arrangements that make business with the Caldari possible. Even today, Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, Ishukone, and Nugoeihuvei as the most notable examples maintain franchise presence within the Federation.

That's just the nature of free-trade, and member-state political independence and autonomy as guaranteed by constitution and charter.

Freedom of choice remains freedom of choice and if some decide to do business with Caldari then that is their choice.

Besides, some of those Caldari boys can be kind of cute what with all that dour mien and stoicism.

It's not like I've never chosen to engage in some diplomatic engagement with Caldari. I still retain fond memories of the intimate discourses and vigorous debates made possible with enough libation. One can always admire those that can appreciate an occasional biting remark without flinching.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2015-11-25 01:59:26 UTC
Just need to remember that when working with the Caldari, the Caldari are in this for their own profit and will scalp you if given the chance, and they make it very clear that they are in this for the profit than any other reason. So always double-check the contract terms, make sure there's no room for reinterpretation and actually work out the math.

Expect not altruism, leniency or mercy when doing business with the Caldari. However, expect that they will fulfill their end of the bargain as stated in the contract and make very damn sure you fulfill yours if you want to get out of the deal with a tidy profit in your own corporate coffers.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#83 - 2015-11-25 05:45:24 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Just need to remember that when working with the Caldari, the Caldari are in this for their own profit and will scalp you if given the chance, and they make it very clear that they are in this for the profit than any other reason. So always double-check the contract terms, make sure there's no room for reinterpretation and actually work out the math.

Expect not altruism, leniency or mercy when doing business with the Caldari. However, expect that they will fulfill their end of the bargain as stated in the contract and make very damn sure you fulfill yours if you want to get out of the deal with a tidy profit in your own corporate coffers.


Well, obviously. A contract is a contract is a contract.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#84 - 2015-11-25 05:51:04 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Just need to remember that when working with the Caldari, the Caldari are in this for their own profit and will scalp you if given the chance, and they make it very clear that they are in this for the profit than any other reason. So always double-check the contract terms, make sure there's no room for reinterpretation and actually work out the math.

Expect not altruism, leniency or mercy when doing business with the Caldari. However, expect that they will fulfill their end of the bargain as stated in the contract and make very damn sure you fulfill yours if you want to get out of the deal with a tidy profit in your own corporate coffers.

I would recommend anyone to not trust words of a petty gallentean lapdog like Egivand in any questions regarding Caldari.

He is known already for openly lying about Caldari officers. Besides, his whole mental capabilities are under serious question after he has displayed horrendous lack of understanding of basic mathematical principles.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2015-11-25 06:24:13 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Just need to remember that when working with the Caldari, the Caldari are in this for their own profit and will scalp you if given the chance, and they make it very clear that they are in this for the profit than any other reason. So always double-check the contract terms, make sure there's no room for reinterpretation and actually work out the math.

Expect not altruism, leniency or mercy when doing business with the Caldari. However, expect that they will fulfill their end of the bargain as stated in the contract and make very damn sure you fulfill yours if you want to get out of the deal with a tidy profit in your own corporate coffers.

I would recommend anyone to not trust words of a petty gallentean lapdog like Egivand in any questions regarding Caldari.

He is known already for openly lying about Caldari officers. Besides, his whole mental capabilities are under serious question after he has displayed horrendous lack of understanding of basic mathematical principles.


I see I had somehow gained a stalker with hurt feelings.

So tell me. Do you *not* read your contract and follow it to the letter? How did you know that you weren't cheated when you enlisted into the militia?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2015-11-25 06:36:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Just need to remember that when working with the Caldari, the Caldari are in this for their own profit and will scalp you if given the chance, and they make it very clear that they are in this for the profit than any other reason. So always double-check the contract terms, make sure there's no room for reinterpretation and actually work out the math.

Expect not altruism, leniency or mercy when doing business with the Caldari. However, expect that they will fulfill their end of the bargain as stated in the contract and make very damn sure you fulfill yours if you want to get out of the deal with a tidy profit in your own corporate coffers.



Well, I do not know if you knew of the Skarkon incident, so I'm going to summarise the role of the Caldari State in that fiasco.

Skarkon II was developed with assistance by the Ishukone Corporation, who are, in hindsight, really only in it for the TASC resources found on that planet. When the mines dried up, the Minmatar workers laid off and the corps cut their losses, packed up and left, there was plenty of discontent among the populace.

I suspect that they had expected the Republic to lend them aid. When the Republic proved incapable of giving aid, they probably expected Ishukone to pick up the slack. Ishukone didn't. They limited their presence to the Skyhook, likely because they are still making money out of it.

And frankly, we probably should had expected that. Ishukone's interest was never in the welfare of the Republic citizens. I don't know what kind of deal was struck between the Republic and Ishukone, but I believe it has much to do with Ishukone providing infrastructure and jobs as long as they get the wealth from the TASC. For a while, this was what happened. We got the jobs, we got the infrastructure, they got the TASC and a cut of the profits and everybody's happy. Then reserves dried up and, well, you know the rest.

Looking at this, let us remember, the State does not run welfare, and the State are ultimately interested in their own bottom line. When striking a deal with them, make sure to read the fine print and never promise anything one cannot provide. So long as we keep to our end of the bargain, they will keep to theirs and everything will be grand. Otherwise, we are leaving with empty pockets, lots of hungry people and hurt feelings.

I am still trying to figure out what to think about Ishukone dragging their feet in fixing that Skyhook, and the fact that the Skyhook broke down in the first place. While I like to think that they do quality work, this event shakes that preconceived notion. Then there's the others.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Doctor Carbonatite
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2015-11-25 07:24:51 UTC
So Val and PYRE are now actively against Nation.

I've been away longer than I thought.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#88 - 2015-11-25 11:55:30 UTC
Doctor Carbonatite wrote:
So Val and PYRE are now actively against Nation.

I've been away longer than I thought.


PYRE were never for Nation, a concept many of you seem to find impossible to understand.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Doctor Carbonatite
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2015-11-25 13:30:40 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Doctor Carbonatite wrote:
So Val and PYRE are now actively against Nation.

I've been away longer than I thought.


PYRE were never for Nation, a concept many of you seem to find impossible to understand.


It's more that I was quite active alongside Nation supporters when Kuvakei and several True Citizens were actively communicating with the cluster, at the beginning of the Incursion initiatives. I just have been off on other ventures for awhile.

Most of the names I remember from that time are now, or have recently been, associated with PYRE. This is why hearing about PYRE actively combating Nation forces surprises me.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#90 - 2015-11-25 17:02:11 UTC
Doctor Carbonatite wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Doctor Carbonatite wrote:
So Val and PYRE are now actively against Nation.

I've been away longer than I thought.


PYRE were never for Nation, a concept many of you seem to find impossible to understand.


It's more that I was quite active alongside Nation supporters when Kuvakei and several True Citizens were actively communicating with the cluster, at the beginning of the Incursion initiatives. I just have been off on other ventures for awhile.

Most of the names I remember from that time are now, or have recently been, associated with PYRE. This is why hearing about PYRE actively combating Nation forces surprises me.


Let me explain simply and clearly. Pyre will consider applications from ANY combat pilot or pilot who is willing to be trained in combat. All we ask is that said pilots follow orders and fight according to our NBSI ROE. Whenever a pilot feels that they can no longer obey those two rules, they are free to leave Pyre with no prejudice attached to the decision.

For a period of time Pyre accepted applications from several former-TSF pilots who were combat pilots. All we asked of said pilots is that they followed orders and fought according to our NBSI ROEs. When many of those pilots felt that they could no longer obey those two rules, they left Pyre with no prejudice attached to the decision.


Kuvakei came and picked a fight in our home system. We organised a combat patrol to put the boot in and some former Pyre pilots who have now joined the TLF joined us.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Doctor Carbonatite
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2015-11-25 23:25:07 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Let me explain simply and clearly. Pyre will consider applications from ANY combat pilot or pilot who is willing to be trained in combat. All we ask is that said pilots follow orders and fight according to our NBSI ROE. Whenever a pilot feels that they can no longer obey those two rules, they are free to leave Pyre with no prejudice attached to the decision.

For a period of time Pyre accepted applications from several former-TSF pilots who were combat pilots. All we asked of said pilots is that they followed orders and fought according to our NBSI ROEs. When many of those pilots felt that they could no longer obey those two rules, they left Pyre with no prejudice attached to the decision.


Kuvakei came and picked a fight in our home system. We organised a combat patrol to put the boot in and some former Pyre pilots who have now joined the TLF joined us.


That is sensible. Thank you for the clarification.
Kalo Askold
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2015-11-26 08:20:46 UTC
Haha Pyre fighting sansha, must have been some isk involved.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2015-11-26 08:31:40 UTC
Kalo Askold wrote:
Haha Pyre fighting sansha, must have been some isk involved.


CONCORD does provide very ample bounty compensations for gunning down Sansha's Incursion fleets.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#94 - 2015-11-26 11:44:01 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Kalo Askold wrote:
Haha Pyre fighting sansha, must have been some isk involved.


CONCORD does provide very ample bounty compensations for gunning down Sansha's Incursion fleets.


There are also tactical implications to having an active incursion in your home system. Cyno jammers, lower resists, lower bounty payouts, and Sansha gatecamps. The CONCORD payouts are an added incentive, certainly, but the simple fact is life is much easier when Sansha is not knocking on your door.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2015-11-26 15:49:45 UTC
Hey, uhm
If you are ever, you know
shoot Sansha in Bleak Lands/Metro regions and need an extra pilot, err...
hit me up? :)
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#96 - 2015-11-26 17:03:57 UTC
Kalo Askold wrote:
Haha Pyre fighting, must have been some isk involved.


Fixed that for you.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Kalo Askold
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2015-11-26 17:14:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalo Askold
Kalaratiri wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Kalo Askold wrote:
Haha Pyre fighting sansha, must have been some isk involved.


CONCORD does provide very ample bounty compensations for gunning down Sansha's Incursion fleets.


There are also tactical implications to having an active incursion in your home system. Cyno jammers, lower resists, lower bounty payouts, and Sansha gatecamps. The CONCORD payouts are an added incentive, certainly, but the simple fact is life is much easier when Sansha is not knocking on your door.


Eh just stop using the larger cruisers to take on the frigate gangs that come by or your warfare link contracts and sansha will stop scrambling you on the gate.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#98 - 2015-11-26 17:25:10 UTC
Kalo Askold wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Kalo Askold wrote:
Haha Pyre fighting sansha, must have been some isk involved.


CONCORD does provide very ample bounty compensations for gunning down Sansha's Incursion fleets.


There are also tactical implications to having an active incursion in your home system. Cyno jammers, lower resists, lower bounty payouts, and Sansha gatecamps. The CONCORD payouts are an added incentive, certainly, but the simple fact is life is much easier when Sansha is not knocking on your door.


Eh just stop using the larger cruisers to take on the frigate gangs that come buy or your warfare link contracts and sansha will stop scrambling you on the gate.

Come now, they don't ALWAYS use cruisers....

Roll
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#99 - 2015-11-26 20:11:08 UTC
Well there was isk and Lp for sure, we recently got the payout for the second incursion we assisted with. Perhaps, being in Concorde good graces and payment isn't such a bad thing. Still not sure what I am going to use the concord lp for.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#100 - 2015-11-26 21:18:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Kalo Askold wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Kalo Askold wrote:
Haha Pyre fighting sansha, must have been some isk involved.


CONCORD does provide very ample bounty compensations for gunning down Sansha's Incursion fleets.


There are also tactical implications to having an active incursion in your home system. Cyno jammers, lower resists, lower bounty payouts, and Sansha gatecamps. The CONCORD payouts are an added incentive, certainly, but the simple fact is life is much easier when Sansha is not knocking on your door.


Eh just stop using the larger cruisers to take on the frigate gangs that come by or your warfare link contracts and sansha will stop scrambling you on the gate.


Are you still crying, Kalo? Should I send you some sort of soothing cream? I'm not sure there's a specific remedy for being terrible.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.