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A Thanks to the Caldari Milita

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Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#41 - 2015-11-18 09:19:40 UTC
Aphoxema G wrote:
It is time for the Caldari and Minmatar to rise together. Truly these two people have more in common than any other empires, and both have the most working against them. Do not think for a second the Amarr wouldn't turn on the State and enslave every one of its people if they thought they could get away with it, and the Gallente's half-assed support has only poisoned whatever Minmatar identity there might have been.

The world has changed, and it continues to change. We should change together. We don't even have to set aside our differences, because there are none. The only reason we fight is we're shooting the enemies of our terrible friends, and I will stand for it no longer.


I'm sorry you feel that way.

Please ensure the reimbursement transfer for our 'half-assed support' is made payable to the People of the Federation. You can include the monies stolen from the aid package to build the Elder Fleet.

I find this notion that the Caldari share so much with the Minmatar quite flies in the face of all evidence. They are, by and large, supremely efficient, hard-working, disciplined, closely aligned in interests and sure of who they are and what they believe in. The Minmatar, by and large (and not including most of those who have made their homes in the Federation) are quarrelsome, over-emotional, vengeful, corrupt and lacking any sense of obligation other than to their own immediate family. You know what happens to feckless ingrates who rebel against the system in the State?

You'll find the Caldari mega-corporations will exercise a much tighter control on any contracts you sign with them, and the dysfunctional corruption of your oligarchy will be supported at extremely advantageous interest rates - to the Caldari. They won't try to educate you to be better at governance - they'll just add the corruption onto the invoice at stepped tiers of interest.

Sadly for you and the other delusional advocates of a Caldari-Minmatar partnership, the Republic is broke and politically unhinged in its hatred of Amarr. The State mega-corporations see very little profit in throwing away their highly lucrative trade with the Empire in favour of bartering a few mouldy beans with crazy people. Particularly since such a partnership would encourage the Federation to move closer to the Empire, and then you would be faced with your ancient enemy unfettered by concerns on her flank. Such a realignment would be fairly undesirable to the State as well, something else that is undoubtedly in their thinking. In truth, there is far more likelihood of the Federation and key mega-corporations coming to agreements that stop the pointless border war and establish peace and trade - it's been so close before and will be again, I am sure.

There are many of us who would like to see this peace across the cluster and a Caldari- Minmatar relationship has to be part of that. We'd love for you to establish a nation that could and did honour contracts, treaties and interstellar obligations. But right now, the Republic is the unwanted step-child locked in the attic - we can hear you screaming, smashing furniture and throwing your own excrement at the walls, but until you grow up, no-one really wants to let you out to play with the grown-ups. The State sees no advantage in you, rather thinking that if you were gone, the attic could be turned into a nice little en-suite making a decent return on investment. The Empire would like to let you out, but only in chains, and to work in the cellars night and day for a crust and a good, educational whipping.

Luckily for you, the Federation at least brings you something to eat every day, even if your ingratitude irks more and more.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Jev North
Doomheim
#42 - 2015-11-18 10:21:05 UTC
Svetlana Laknaya wrote:
rest assured it has nothing to do with our principles of opposition to Sansha's Nation. Even I acknowledge, that a Corporation named that, should probably be based in Aldodan somewhere..

Well, there's that, and it's neither here nore there, but my real eyebrow-raiser and smile-tugger was in the (elided) shareholder listing.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Red Khalmer
Minmatar Secret Service
Ushra'Khan
#43 - 2015-11-18 12:19:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Red Khalmer
Siding with PYRE? almost sure it's ValentinaDLM's idea. There people said to me when she joined "no, this time ValentinaDLM will fight for the matari kin, She has left her past as a one of the main enemies that slaughtered thousands upon thousands matari and made us lose the warzone to the slavers". I didnt believe a word what people said, I told them wait a year or two, see if they can survive being in the minmatar militia and prove their worth. We can then commit a pact with them as our allies and their real motive will come in time.

I know some of you are positive about this Minmatar-Caldari operation but you have to know who we are dealing with.

Me and my kin has fought Valentina and PYRE on the battlefield for a long time. We know what they are capable of doing. They intended to destroy minmatar resistance inside out, Implementing Spy Fleet commanders to fool people to die to amarrian fleets, spread missinformation, causing quarrel and listened in on our communication. Then ValentinaDLM changed heart and joined minmatar after being with amarr. Why is uncertain. I thought this was just another ploy by PYRE. Time will tell.

I find this interesting. Just the whole ordeal. PYRE who has been known by both Minmatar loyalists aswell as Amarr loyalists that they are supportive of the Sansha cause, with some having ties to Caldari. Now they are engaging Sansha Incursions And the Khushakor joining them? I have no idea what is going on. Im glad they got rid of the menace that is Sansha, but question remains, why?

Edit: The Khushakor is back into the militia. Some questions have been answered and has been edited out. I would gladly have active conversation with the people of Kushakor clan to see eachothers way and how work for the better of the matari people. I wouldnt mind ValentinaDLM to make a public statement on why she joined the Minmatar militia aswell. As her intentions for many remains shady to say the least.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#44 - 2015-11-18 12:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalaratiri
Red Khalmer wrote:
So now the Khushakor clan have left the minmatar militia and are now once again siding with the PYRE falcons.


Look again mate.

Don't you know CONCORD enforce a 24 period between switching alliances?

Spirits above, sometimes I think you people enjoy jumping to conclusions as some kind of competitive hobby.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#45 - 2015-11-18 12:41:11 UTC
Red Khalmer wrote:
I have no idea what is going on.

When you spend enough time learning human nature, you find out that mortal's reasons are very simple. Too many guesses? Try a simple one.

Why mortals change their sides, bertay their allies, kill their own kind? For profit.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#46 - 2015-11-18 12:42:26 UTC
Here, let me help answer your questions.

Red Khalmer wrote:
... why?

...mercenaries...

Seraphim Risen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2015-11-18 12:43:02 UTC
All I know is, once a Sansha follower, always a follower. I've only known one person to try to leave their service, and she tried to assassinate my CEO at the time. **** that.

Never not badpost.

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#48 - 2015-11-18 12:49:29 UTC
I like hearing words of praise.
More of it please!

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Jade Blackwind
#49 - 2015-11-18 12:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Arkoth 24 wrote:
When you spend enough time learning human nature, you find out that mortal's reasons are very simple. Too many guesses? Try a simple one.

Why mortals change their sides, bertay their allies, kill their own kind? For profit.


You underestimate us mortals, drone.

We also can change sides, betray allies and kill anyone for random personal grudges (imaginary or not), because our worldview has changed for some reason, because we are mad, because we are bored, or because we have an extra round of faction ammo left.

That's why no AI stands a chance against us.
Jev North
Doomheim
#50 - 2015-11-18 12:51:56 UTC
Red Khalmer wrote:
Implementing Spy Fleet commanders that fooled everyone to die to amarrian fleets[...]

Amusing idea. I wonder how many FCs you've hung out to dry whose only real crime was a moment of incompetence.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#51 - 2015-11-18 12:59:54 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
That's why no AI stands a chance against us.

That's why any AI considers humans as a threat and a self-destructive kind.
Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#52 - 2015-11-18 13:10:05 UTC
Il just say that, PYRE is so damn good that even war targets want to be our friends...

(.___________________________________________.)/

Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2015-11-18 14:28:41 UTC
Avio Yaken wrote:
Il just say that, PYRE is so damn good that even war targets want to be our friends...


I have no idea what you mean...

Also Khalmer my friend! Please get in touch, mercenaries might be able to facilitate the securing of medals after all Twisted!

For the right price.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#54 - 2015-11-18 15:32:12 UTC
Red Khalmer wrote:
Edit: The Khushakor is back into the militia. Some questions have been answered and has been edited out.


a) When decrying someone else as 'shady', it's generally better to not go back and edit the record to remove your own questions, just because they were answered. Let them stand as answered. Removing them just makes you look... shady.

b) Diplomacy and issues of that nature 'why did they leave the militia raaaarrr?' ... they seem to be above your pay grade. Probably a reason for that.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2015-11-18 17:12:05 UTC
I can confirm that Krushakor pilots flying with us during our anti-Sansha operation were flagged as members of the Minmatar Militia for the duration of that operation.

When it comes to engaging mutual adversaries, we do not require our friends to drop their larger allegiances in order to participate. I would remind pilots that their overview is a handy aide and not a binding taskmaster. Even if something is flashy that doesn't mean you HAVE to engage it if there's a compelling reason not to!

As for the gentleman from Ushra'Khan, I would ask you to be gentle with him. Given the experience he and his organisation went through on the Amarr front, it's understandable that they need a little time to regain their equilibrium. The kind of paranoia and defensiveness he's exhibiting is only to be expected.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#56 - 2015-11-18 17:29:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:


Sadly for you and the other delusional advocates of a Caldari-Minmatar partnership, the Republic is broke and politically unhinged in its hatred of Amarr...
...Luckily for you, the Federation at least brings you something to eat every day, even if your ingratitude irks more and more.

And you've lived in my home for how long that allows you to speak with such certitude and authority?

I moved from a comfortable existence in the Federation so that I could reconnect with my heritage. I, along with literally millions of Federation emigres, have chosen to make our homes in the Republic in order to fight for our brothers and sisters. If the Republic were such a broken hell hole (as you so wrongly assert) then one would expect people to be fleeing for the other empires en masse. The fact is that this isn't happening.

As for unhinged hatred, I'd remind you that it was a Caldari leader who ordered a titan captain to fire her ship's doomsday weapon inside a planet's atmosphere and obliterate billions of innocent civilians.

If you're so butthurt that we Matari haven't thanked the Federation enough for its help over the last couple of hundred years I say get the hell over it. We've pulled our weight in the alliance and if you believe otherwise then stop supporting us, it's that simple. But for the spirits sake quit with the eternal moaning about how poorly we ignorant, bankrupt tribals would be without your paternalistic help. That's racist claptrap and it doesn't help anyone.

I'd go on to refute the ignorant and bigoted bile you and your ideological compatriot Diana Kim are spewing but it would be pointless. I'll simply label you as yet another xenophobic troll and block your posts so that I'll no longer waste my valuable time reading them.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#57 - 2015-11-18 19:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: ValentinaDLM
Oh my, this got a bit dramatic didn't it? I talked to Svetlana and got Authorization to speak on this, even though I would like to Assert, she is in charge, and much better at being diplomatic than I am.

So lets clear up some facts:
1. Khushakor Clan as part of Matari Safari took part in an incursion along side MCF1B
2. after that, we dropped the alliance Matari Safari, and therefore Minmatar Milita as we entered our waiting period to join Of Questionable Repute.
3. During this waiting period, multiple times I, and other leaders of my corporation talked to other Minmatar milita corporations and alliances, explaining the situation to them.
4. Records will show, we didn't shoot anyone from Minmatar miltia while we were out, and we did help Destroy an Amarr milita Customs Office alongside the rest of the Minmatar milita
5. As of yesterday, we were back in the Minmatar milita, the time we were out, due to odd rules, only ended up being 22 hours.

I hope that makes things more clear.

So, me and Svetlana poked some of the people who were involved in the alliance creation, who were as some people noted, people I have dealt with in the past. Yes, they are shady people, yes they believe things I don't believe, and I would fight against the people they may support. That doesn't mean I can't use their services. I don't care if I buy ships from someone of the Amarrian Faith, and I don't believe in it either.

In any case, we asked Kii, who has as far as I know has never done anything related to supporting Sansha, and she moved the HQ properly to the Aldodan Constellation. It was apparently, just something of a convenience, for corporate roles to be used at a hanger rented in that other station, nothing nefarious happened, after all, I personally haven't been to Stain in quite some time, and my standing with the Nation is now quite bad and I have no intents to repair it.

@Skywier Kinnison:
Have you ever been to the Republic? It sounds like you think we are all refugee camps? This simply isn't the case, according to the Secure Commerce Commission Report in YC 114, unemployment is only 8.9% and is falling. I am sure currently things are much better, though I don't have more recent statistics on hand. And also remember, 2 Trillion Gallente and nearly a trillion Caldari call the Republic home. They wouldn't stay if we didn't have an economy that worked for them.

We can negotiate contracts with Caldari mega corporation without need or worry of political repercussions. If you wanted to do better with our people, then convince Gallente mega-corporations to negotiate with us in good faith as peers and business partners rather than treating us like petulant children who just need a taste of Gallente culture to know what is good for them. The similarities between the Caldari and Minmatar people's are precisely because we are both products of adversity, and what will happen to the Federation, if they ever really suffer adversity? I don't know the answer, but I worry, and that is why both the Caldari people and the Matari people must keep our strong independent culture.

@Serephim Risen:
I am not a Sansha supporter anymore, and you are in a corporation that once did quite a few missions for Sansha's Nation in RV5-DW, so it isn't as clear cut as I think, you think it is.

@Desiderya:
You are your Husband are wonderful people, who generate lots of profit (and controversy). I am not good at praise, I hope that counts.

@Red Khalmer:
We informed Tribal Force, and then later talked Specifically to an Ushra'Kahn diplomat, and also explained the situation several times on the Tribal Liberation Force's instant messaging program hooked to Galnet, after getting questions on it. I am somewhat mystified how you aren't aware.

I would invite you to watch our videos on Galnet and note that we are not Falling on the Sword for Amarr. I have done my best in every encounter with the Amarr, and I do occasionally lose, I would dare anyone to do better than that. I was also rather famously pretty anti-amarrian while I was in the Amarr milita, it was merely a contract, and the only reason why I shut up is because I was dating a very amazing man, who happens to be in PIE's alliance, and I didn't want anything to happen to him based on my statements.

I personally FCed the hub bash in Asghed, I have time and time again, made our resources and ships available to pilots in organizations outside of Khushakor Clan and done so without even asking for payment for ships. I am not really sure how this could be seen as anything other than doing our best to stop the Amarr. I invite you to examine our public kill records for any impropriety. In the two months I have been in, I had helped destroy 615 Vessels, most of which were with the 24th Imperial Crusade.

As for my reasons for joining, they are no secret, and I haven't made any attempt to hide the fact, that I wanted to fit in with the culture of my heritage, and I wanted to be Svetlana's friend again. My blood is of Brutor and Nefantar stock, the Ammatar Mandate, was never really where I belonged, goodness knows I never fit in there. During my time in Pyre Falcon Defence and Security I was allowed to explore and express my Heritage, and over time I realized there was no real way to prove myself to my people without fighting for them.

Once I prove myself enough, my Clan will allow me to go thru and get a Voluval and finally be part of my people, and that is what I fight for more than anything.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#58 - 2015-11-18 19:46:41 UTC
I was forced to change my opinion on the Matari when I started encountering them as people and not as faceless combat statistics. I highly recommend the experience to all Caldari. While the fact of our nominal enmity is unfortunate and prevents longer term formal alliances and relationships, I greatly look forward to the day that this changes.

Valentina, you are a good person and a skilled pilot. I have always enjoyed flying and talking with you. I know you'll do your people proud.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Esil Skor
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-11-18 19:52:22 UTC
Many of you people are weird.
Jade Blackwind
#60 - 2015-11-18 20:47:50 UTC
Esil Skor wrote:
Many of you people are weird.
That's a bit of an understatement.