Ships & Modules

Never underestimate the power of Vindi-webs; yeah, your Loki can slow things down a little... Your Vindi's stop them in their tracks.


If they really do max out their Kin/Therm they'll get torn up by the Vindi's drones because they'll have massive holes to them... not to mention that even with very high resists the Vindicator still hurts quite a bit.

All that said...
I would go with Machs in your case.
Because Heavy Neuts.
The Vindi has to lose a gun to gain any utility and thus lose damage, the Mach's utility high is a far greater consideration (IMHO) than the damage choice.
'phoons are another possibility, as someone already mentioned; or perhaps you could throw a 'geddon into the mix? (RMLMs and long range heavy neuts might give you a few more options against smaller ships - more than one 'geddon and you probably need to go RHMLs to avoid missing out too much damage).

If it's for Highsec War-decs, A small gang set up like that isn't really going to capable of catch anything, seems something along the lines of "Whelp, or be whelped," Depending on who you are fighting and what the situation is, you will most likely have little to no fights.


With The Vindi's you are going to hell slow, and will not catch anything, people will see you coming and GTFO or bat phone in reinforcements.

For Highsec Vindi's do great as gank ships, Undock once somebody has aggressed, dual web and hope the DPS will murderize your target's face before the timer runs out. That's why the web bonus is very strong on the ship. Your blasters hit for almost full damage on any cruiser. Geddons and other neut based ships work well with them as you can break the targets tank even faster.

Mach are okay to roam with, the warp speed bonus they get is super helpful for convenience purpose. But you still align slowly without nano's. and by the way you are talking it seems you want to try and do a Armor style brawling thing.

If you want to go expensive I would say switch the Battleships for T3's, Proteus or HAM Legions. And throw in a fast tackle ceptor or something of the ilk. General in Wardec's it's about catching somebody off guard as the ability to run for cover is very very easy.

The Mach is almost universally better than the Vindi. It has fewer range limitations, cheats the warp limitation, cheats the speed and align limitations of battleships, and isn't even that expensive to fit out. A t2 fit Mach functions just fine in every fitting type, arty/AC, shield or armor. Anything the Vindi can do, a cruiser hull can do better except for apply DPS to a large, immobile target, so unless you're beating on POCOs all day, the Mach wins hands down. Just bring a Loki or Munin and walah, it's like a Vindi but not agonizingly slow.

If he's stupid enough to let you catch him. The vindicator is wicked slow and if it's blaster fit it has an extremely short range. They're designed as armor tanks and based off Gallente hulls, so they have a huge mass and align like a pregnant cow. They don't accelerate particularly well, and don't forget battleship scan resolution, which means the Dramiel could have warped out, warped back in, gone for pizza, then back out again before you ever had a chance to lock. The Machariel suffers from only two battleship related symptoms, and that is scan resolution(of which it still has a 50% advantage on the Vindi) and signature radius. Every other battleship handicap it cheats and that is more than enough to propel it to the top of the food chain by a massive margin. Never mind that it uses capless guns and can fit a massive armor tank using nothing but T2 modules and T1 rigs, only unlike the Vindi it's based off Minmatar hulls so they align and move quickly, and that's still including a full rack of arties. With the way battleships are right now, there is simply no way the Vindicator could ever compete with the Machariel in PvP. The Mach clutches all the weaknesses that hold other battleships back. This is doubly true in small gangs, where speed and agility are key.

That's a lot of words for *I indeed don't know what I'm talking about*.

*polishes Vindi*

*points out the 1800 dps guns + drones*

*looks at MJD and MWD*

*looks at 90% web with 14 km range*

*puts on a Barry White album and chills the wine*

Sometimes reading here is mindbending..

And some folks are terrible at math or have a very uncommon definiton of "small" gang - with force quadruplers.

Machariels.

Bumping is important part of HS warfare..