EVE General Discussion

The short answer is because we're winning!

The longer answer is multifaceted. I have only been with the goons for 6-8 months or so since I first returned to Eve after a three year break and I hold absolutely no positions of authority. I am just the lowest rank of the rank and file. But I will try to answer your question.

1. Communication. We have much more efficient channels to transmit intel than most other alliances. Any orders, info, whatever is dispersed within seconds. I was out on a fleet recently and we had intel on our enemies, where they were, and what they were flying to counter us at all times. This has been endemic to flying with the Goons in my brief experience.

2. The Meta Game. We are masters of it as my example in # 1 shows. Hell you could argue we effing invented the Meta Game.

3. Sheer Size. We are massive and we control not systems but entire regions. And we do it with an iron fist. If a neut flies anywhere into our space we know and there is always a group of pvp fitted players waiting to welcome them. I have personally been a part of and witnessed operations where my fellow Goons and I have dispatched an opposing force equal or even greater in numbers than us with a ruthless efficiency that is frightening. I am talking about enemy fleets composed of entire small corporations dispatched in 60-120 seconds.

4 We Are Rich. Hell, we define the word rich. We control all of the best and most profitable space in the game. And we USE it! I used to live in highsec and was a mission runner years ago when that was one of the most lucrative things in the game. I was a master at it. But the isk I can and do make being a Goon makes that look like poverty. I make no less than 1 billion a week on a bad week only using this one character/ship. If I want to get really serious I can easily double that. I have personally witnessed people making 5-10 billion isk a day using multiple alts multiple times.

Even the lowest newbie flying with us can afford anything his little heart desires after 30-60 days. We give away 100s of millions of isk like it is candy. I just dropped 2 billion tonight on a fleet of new pvp ships for our ongoing war and I didn't even feel it.

5. Very Newbie Friendly. We are very open to new players. We will take almost anyone, teach and train them, and support them in any way that they need. Very few other corps/alliances in Eve do that and none of them do it with our scope and efficiency.

6. We Are Winning. As I mentioned at the start we are hands down winning Eve in any measurable metric. Everyone loves a winner and everyone wants to be a winner or on the winning team. And that's us.

So if you are new to null or even Eve in general and want a place that offers guidance and growth then find a diplomat and hit them up to come fly with us. You could give them my name but you won't get anything with it. I am just an unnamed soldier in the rank and file. An incredibly rich and happy one.

Like Baltec said were a CIA front

CFCP

The goon strategy is simple, send in a thousand skinny dudes, park them where you want them, then feed them waffles until you need a crane to remove them... makes it not worth the trouble.

It's basically internet spaceship sumo wrestling.

Ye, no. Sorry but I've seen GSF in action, and unless you're willing to sell your soul to the troll gods, a lot of us have been on the end of some fairly sustained verbal abuse from the evil tubbies.

You can try rewrite things all you like. They are nice to their own players. But that means subscribing to a group of players who espouse being racist, sexist, homophobe - and frankly, nasty towards anyone else as a form of sport. The internet might make some of us stupid, but goading people over a sustained period the way some of the more toxic eve groups have is really off. You reap what you sow.

And for what it's worth, I'd recommend Brave, Signal Cartel, Pandemic Horde [in that order] to new people I know - mainly because of the toxic culture GSF has, and has never managed to fully shake.

It is simple, while everyone else was treating this like a game, they have been treating it like an EMPIRE.

I am not saying I agree with the Goons philosophy, but they have worked hard to ensure they have the infrastructure enough to get basically any job done.

They are masters of propaganda and miss-direction, and over time have only further cemented their position as leaders in the null sec space. They controlled the message, and thus control their massive numbers. In the end it became a simple prospect: ally with Goons, or die. Even if this isn't always true, they have proven it enough that people have largely stopped trying.

Also, in the early days the Goons correctly identified the Russians as some of the most tenacious fighters in this game, and their almost decade long alliance with them have served both very well.

Ah, so to defeat Goons one must defeat the United States of America then? Interesting...

Why ask "why"? Goons are here, deal with it however you feel you must.

Technically, they almost died before the job of leading them was dropped on the mittani's lap. I'm guessing it's a number of factors currently working in their favor and not any one thing. reptileblade's list is a good enough starting point.

As for the CIA thing... as someone who listens to Beck, that's one thing that really made me face palm. I think if he knew gamers, he'd probably understand where he made the mistake he made. CIA's totally 4chan and not SA. :p (J/K of course) I don't blame him for digging into why those 4 people got killed and if it was preventable, I think he just stumbled into something that wasn't his area of expertise.