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There Has Never Been A Better Time To Be A Miner...

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#21 - 2015-12-15 19:40:56 UTC
I calc the numbers for you in IPH while taking into account a number of factors most people don't consider. This is what it looks like with today's prices: http://i.imgur.com/PVUYLxg.png

You could get more by using hulks with rorq boost or with compressed ore based on whatever your alliance buys it for.

Better time? All depends on if you can rat or mine for more IPH. ISK from ratting is generally easier to get paid for and haul too. All depends.

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Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-12-15 20:07:04 UTC
Ultim8Evil wrote:
Shuma Makanen wrote:
No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.


The irony in this statement is strong.

Mining in 0.0 is much safer than in highsec.


Not from my experience but I bet you are comparing solo in hisec to team mining in null? I've mined hundreds of hours solo in hi-sec without many problems. I've tried mining in lo-sec and null and it is 1) much more hazardous and 2) less profitable considering the time spent having to bring the ore to an area with good consistent prices.

Or perhaps you are just trying to lure the gullible miners to null so you can pick up some easy kills? Hmmm?
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#23 - 2015-12-15 21:49:21 UTC
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Ultim8Evil wrote:
Shuma Makanen wrote:
No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.


The irony in this statement is strong.

Mining in 0.0 is much safer than in highsec.


Not from my experience but I bet you are comparing solo in hisec to team mining in null? I've mined hundreds of hours solo in hi-sec without many problems. I've tried mining in lo-sec and null and it is 1) much more hazardous and 2) less profitable considering the time spent having to bring the ore to an area with good consistent prices.

Or perhaps you are just trying to lure the gullible miners to null so you can pick up some easy kills? Hmmm?


If you're solo mining in null, you're gonna have a bad time. You don't move the ore anywhere, you sell it locally to your corp/alliance. If you do need to move it, you compress it and put it in a jf. Hell, even a t2 industrial can carry a crap ton of compressed ore rather safely.

Try joining a corp and you'll realize why everyone says that null is much, much safer.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#24 - 2015-12-15 23:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Cidanel Afuran
Rowells wrote:
No thank you, I already work 12 a day


This
Cenwarde
Symmetric Symbioses
#25 - 2015-12-23 14:44:06 UTC
Shuma Makanen wrote:
No thanks. I can still easily make billions in high sec mining with Skiffs and Orca. Granted it may not be as fast as null, but I don't have to be constantly pressing d-scan and looking over my shoulder waiting for death every minute either. I also don't have to make 137 jumps through a thousand gate camps to sell my ore.


Your killboard suggests otherwise. No ship losses and no evidence that you've ever even left high sec, much less your starter corp.
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-01-03 04:18:46 UTC
Eternity Mistseeker wrote:
Your maths does not quite add up.


He's a miner. Give him a break. Just be glad somebody is willing to do it.
Captain Krunch Krunch
cosV
#27 - 2016-01-03 07:36:39 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Captain Krunch Krunch wrote:

70 mill / 3 = 23.3 mill per hr, per toon, which also breaks down to 11.66666 mill per half hour.


The 70 million value was given as a per-character amount. The OP later multiplied it by 3 to reach the 3-character amount of 210.

Without opining on the validity of that amount, you took a value that was already normalized to a single character and then divided it by 3 "because [you] only run one account" and (more accurately) because you are very bad at math.

Care to try that again?


First off, you must be bad at ENGLISH because i believe you were trying to spell the word OPINIONING.
And my Math is fine. Please read my entire post before you try to quote me. What i am saying is, you can not pull in up to 80 mill per hour with a single barge on a single toon in any space. I mined ABC ores the other day in a Mackinaw with Rorqual Boosts, and on average with average skills you might hit 20+ mill per hour. So how the heck is someone mining upwards of 70-80 mill per toon/character in one single hour?

:)
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#28 - 2016-01-05 06:59:41 UTC
I have not mined for a couple of years so I might be wrong so feel free to rip me a new one.

EFT says a perfect miner with perfect boosts ect can mine 3902M3 per minute (is that correct?)
EFT Hulk

Bistot is 423isk per 1m3.
http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore

3902 * 60 = 234120m3/hour
234120 * 423 = 99mil/hour

Seems very high, I was sure that I made sub 20m/h in HS with perfect boosts so 5X more seems like a lot given Orca boosts are not that much worse and HS orders are 60% the value of NS.
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2016-01-05 14:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarrchecko
Captain Krunch Krunch wrote:
First off, you must be bad at ENGLISH because i believe you were trying to spell the word OPINIONING.
And my Math is fine. Please read my entire post before you try to quote me. What i am saying is, you can not pull in up to 80 mill per hour with a single barge on a single toon in any space. I mined ABC ores the other day in a Mackinaw with Rorqual Boosts, and on average with average skills you might hit 20+ mill per hour. So how the heck is someone mining upwards of 70-80 mill per toon/character in one single hour?

:)


Never read a supreme court case, huh? Justices opine all the time.

And yeah, 80 million per hour is probably impossible. It might be possible with an absolutely PERFECT miner putting lasers on mercoxit who is also using the currently-bugged mining drones on a nearby high-end asteroid... who also has an account boosting and a dedicated hauler.

40-50 million per miner is more realistic, but again that's with VERY good skills and boosts and a dedicated hauler. Miners really need like... 3+ accounts bare minimum or buddies who are usually/always around to mine with.
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2016-01-05 14:36:25 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
I have not mined for a couple of years so I might be wrong so feel free to rip me a new one.

EFT says a perfect miner with perfect boosts ect can mine 3902M3 per minute (is that correct?)
EFT Hulk

Bistot is 423isk per 1m3.
http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore

3902 * 60 = 234120m3/hour
234120 * 423 = 99mil/hour

Seems very high, I was sure that I made sub 20m/h in HS with perfect boosts so 5X more seems like a lot given Orca boosts are not that much worse and HS orders are 60% the value of NS.


That's 100% refine on bistot though. And the 5% mining implant and the special mining upgrades cost BILLIONS of isk.

An excellent, but reasonable, hulk is probably more like 3000m3/minute... and if you're selling the compressed ore instead of somehow getting 100% refine, you're looking at under 300isk/m3. Puts you around 50 million per hour, plus drones if you're using them. But still, you aren't doing that with one account unless you have a buddy hauling for free and a buddy boosting too.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#31 - 2016-01-05 15:07:24 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
I have not mined for a couple of years so I might be wrong so feel free to rip me a new one.

EFT says a perfect miner with perfect boosts ect can mine 3902M3 per minute (is that correct?)
EFT Hulk

Bistot is 423isk per 1m3.
http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore

3902 * 60 = 234120m3/hour
234120 * 423 = 99mil/hour

Seems very high, I was sure that I made sub 20m/h in HS with perfect boosts so 5X more seems like a lot given Orca boosts are not that much worse and HS orders are 60% the value of NS.

See my post above. I do all the calcs you need in my app.

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Mad Vemane
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-01-05 17:20:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mad Vemane
Zifrian wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
I have not mined for a couple of years so I might be wrong so feel free to rip me a new one.

EFT says a perfect miner with perfect boosts ect can mine 3902M3 per minute (is that correct?)
EFT Hulk

Bistot is 423isk per 1m3.
http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore

3902 * 60 = 234120m3/hour
234120 * 423 = 99mil/hour

Seems very high, I was sure that I made sub 20m/h in HS with perfect boosts so 5X more seems like a lot given Orca boosts are not that much worse and HS orders are 60% the value of NS.

See my post above. I do all the calcs you need in my app.


Edit:
My bad missed a box in the app :3
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#33 - 2016-01-06 07:13:30 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:


An excellent, but reasonable, hulk is probably more like 3000m3/minute... and if you're selling the compressed ore instead of somehow getting 100% refine, you're looking at under 300isk/m3. Puts you around 50 million per hour, plus drones if you're using them. But still, you aren't doing that with one account unless you have a buddy hauling for free and a buddy boosting too.


Sorry forgot about the refine changes (did say i had been out of the mining game for a while) , still 50mil per hour is pretty good for semi afk work especially considering that it scales very well with more characters.
Eitak Utrigas
Hydraxis Industries
Twenty Thousand Leagues Out of the SEA.
#34 - 2016-01-06 13:22:17 UTC
Keep in mind that since the changes that allowed compression at a POS, the market for uncompressed ores at Jita prices is now inflating since no one in their right mind would fill a jump freighter up with uncompressed ores to sell it in high so the supply is now lower.

Values for compressed Ores or refined minerals seem more realistic.

That said, 50m - 70m with a well trained Hulk, with a hauler under a good Rorq pilot is certainly an acceptable amount providing you have the backing of a good corp/alliance who offer you a buyback that doesnt bend you over.

For the more average newer pilot on a Procurer, I'd expect it to be nearer to 20m mark.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-01-07 16:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Captain Krunch Krunch wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Captain Krunch Krunch wrote:

70 mill / 3 = 23.3 mill per hr, per toon, which also breaks down to 11.66666 mill per half hour.


The 70 million value was given as a per-character amount. The OP later multiplied it by 3 to reach the 3-character amount of 210.

Without opining on the validity of that amount, you took a value that was already normalized to a single character and then divided it by 3 "because [you] only run one account" and (more accurately) because you are very bad at math.

Care to try that again?


First off, you must be bad at ENGLISH because i believe you were trying to spell the word OPINIONING.


Oh, gosh, how did I miss this little gem?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opine?s=t

So you're borderline illiterate AND bad at math.

I'm not sure which is better: That you were oblivious to the existence of opine, or that you think "opinioning" is a word. Shocked

Quote:
And my Math is fine.


No, it isn't.

Whether or not the per character value was accurate is neither here nor there. You didn't actually contest the per-character value in doing that - you just took the claimed per character value and divided it by 3. The only thing this does, beside provide an irrefutable criticism of public education, is shift the units to the fairly useless 1/3 of a character.

It's entirely possible the per-character value was wrong, but your particular argument was laughably idiotic.

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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#36 - 2016-01-07 17:11:05 UTC
Why every miner who never touched Mercoxit thinks that it's a good idea to mine Mercoxit?
First of all, it's retardely limited.
Second, you can't even use conventional tools to mine one.
Third, Mercoxit mining (Oh, sorry, DEEP CORE mining) modules got terrible yield to begin with. Mercoxit's volume doesn't help either.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
#37 - 2016-01-07 20:49:09 UTC
Leila Meurtrier wrote:
Why every miner who never touched Mercoxit thinks that it's a good idea to mine Mercoxit?
First of all, it's retardely limited.
Second, you can't even use conventional tools to mine one.
Third, Mercoxit mining (Oh, sorry, DEEP CORE mining) modules got terrible yield to begin with. Mercoxit's volume doesn't help either.


It's still the most valuable ore by a good 33%, after you adjust for the lower yield.
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#38 - 2016-01-08 07:11:49 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:


It's still the most valuable ore by a good 33%, after you adjust for the lower yield.

Well, things got changed. Guess it's time to do some spreadsheet magic after all.
Obadja
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-01-08 09:21:35 UTC
Eitak Utrigas wrote:


...

That said, 50m - 70m with a well trained Hulk, with a hauler under a good Rorq pilot is certainly an acceptable amount providing you have the backing of a good corp/alliance who offer you a buyback that doesnt bend you over.

For the more average newer pilot on a Procurer, I'd expect it to be nearer to 20m mark.


That comes closer to my experience than those theoretical calculations.



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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#40 - 2016-01-10 02:39:59 UTC
The other day I tried out mining again (first time in a long time, got bored lol) and I'd say I got about 25 mil in 20 minutes. This was jetcan mining in a skiff with max rorqual boosts mining spod. Adding in hauling and it probably would have made 50-60 mil in an hour. If you have multiple characters mining in hulks, one character hauling, then I could see it getting up to ~80 mil per hour.

So 100 mil seems a little high on the spectrum, but maybe the value of ore has shifted enough since he originally made this post? Could have also been assuming max refine, didn't bother with that myself.
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