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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2015-11-12 22:56:56 UTC
Whatever they have done, let the God be their judge...

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Calliste Dauvienne
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-11-15 11:25:37 UTC
Local government initiatives to put anti-firearms riders on every damn proposed bill.

I live alone on a large estate and I need a light personal defence weapon with a high-capacity drum magazine loaded with multiple-impact incendiary ammunition. How else am I supposed to defend myself from wild aurochs? Aside from the fact that a well regulated armaments industry sector both provides jobs and supports our national defence industries to defend our freedoms.

Liberals and progressives can take my guns from my cold, dead hands.

(Thanks Foiritain).
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-11-15 12:28:22 UTC
Calliste Dauvienne wrote:
Local government initiatives to put anti-firearms riders on every damn proposed bill.

I live alone on a large estate and I need a light personal defence weapon with a high-capacity drum magazine loaded with multiple-impact incendiary ammunition. How else am I supposed to defend myself from wild aurochs? Aside from the fact that a well regulated armaments industry sector both provides jobs and supports our national defence industries to defend our freedoms.

Liberals and progressives can take my guns from my cold, dead hands.

(Thanks Foiritain).


Like many Sociocrats, you are severely confused. The Progressive Party stands for individual liberties and personal defence.

Certainly at the local level in Solitude, we champion the rights of homesteaders to defend themselves as needed. Indeed, along with the Regional Convention's constant demands to the Senate for a strong naval presence, local militias so armed helped defeat the vicious attack of Uriam Kador some years back. (The news that the miscreant now faces death for his miserable failure in the Succession brings quiet satisfaction hereabouts. It's enough to tempt a grown man to conversion).

No such amendments as you allege have been passed or proposed in Solitude, or to my knowledge, by any true Progressor. On the other hand, it is your great leader, Mentas Blaque who seeks to control men's liberties under the guise of state security. Whereas President Foiritan made some mistakes in reducing funding to Naval forces - instead of making even deeper cuts in the welfare you want disbursed - he soon reversed these when the Senate woke up and did it's duty (which Blaque now likes to insinuate was his own policy).

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2015-11-15 12:56:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
I... think that conflating Mentas Blaque policies in the executive with the usual policies of the Sociocrats might be a bit off, if I may say so...

It is true that the Sociocrat movement usually drives for a more authoritarian Federation in favor of social democracy, but that still remains quite a leap to make...
Calliste Dauvienne
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-11-15 23:20:26 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:


No such amendments as you allege have been passed or proposed in Solitude, or to my knowledge, by any true Progressor. On the other hand, it is your great leader, Mentas Blaque who seeks to control men's liberties under the guise of state security. Whereas President Foiritan made some mistakes in reducing funding to Naval forces - instead of making even deeper cuts in the welfare you want disbursed - he soon reversed these when the Senate woke up and did it's duty (which Blaque now likes to insinuate was his own policy).



I might say it is yourself that appears confused.

For one, Mentas Blaque is not the leader of the Social Democrats having resigned his Senate seat and a life in politics.

If you are referring to Blaqueist ideology, then one has to remember that Mentas Blaque was a Senator from Solitude and a Social Democrat. The Senate deadlocks under President Foiritain was led by Mentas Blaque and other Social Democrat Senators from Solitude. Mentas Blaque and the Social Democrat controlled Senate was never asleep and always did its duty to defend the freedoms of the Federation and its citizens to fulfill its obligations and rights to defend themselves against those who would seek to deny those selfsame rights and freedoms -- such as when they pushed Foiritain out the door.

Progressives will always talk platitudes about liberties but then do nothing to either defend those liberties through strong defence policies or allow a greater majority in the Federation to enjoy their liberty by raising them out of the lower rungs of the socioeconomic ladder by providing access to welfare and the quality of life improvements provided by well funded healthcare and education.

As such you are correct, no amendments or proposals have been passed by Progressives in Solitude because the Social Democrats have always been about Federal strength at all levels pursued with pragmatism and realism, and if Mentas Blaque is any indication then it is the Social Democrats who best represent the constituents of Solitude.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-11-16 09:02:46 UTC
I find it amusing that you think Blaque does not lead the Sociocrats by means other than office. He clearly despises the will of the people and seeks to undermine liberty at every level. The very mindset of the social democrat is to avoid trusting the people - either to improve themselves, or to think 'correctly'.

Healthcare and education are very different from living life on Federal handouts, and I would agree with you that this is a most noble and enterprising investment. You will find that the majority of the finest schools and universities, hospitals and medical clinics, are funded by private subscription, business and foundations created by philanthropic trust, rather than the miserable public system. And that those so educated go on to create wealth themselves, in turn creating new opportunities for others - largely because they are not sucked dry by taxation.

We are a pioneer people out here in Solitude, and have long been denied the Federal teat. For which we are grateful, as we have invested in our people and employees, and in turn, they expect to work hard. To be fair, there are many Sociocrats here in the Convention that have contributed to and guided that investment - men and women of conscience, who truly believe in the greater good of liberty and help ensure that the wealth we have created is focussed upon the deserving, not the indigent. I'd grant you, therefore, that many Solitude Socicrats are pragmatic and realistic - they just seem to fall into socialist fantasy as their shuttle lands in Villore.

One suspects it is the pervading smell of pork being served, rather than the bacon they previously needed to bring home.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Calliste Dauvienne
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-11-16 14:02:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Calliste Dauvienne
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
I find it amusing that you think Blaque does not lead the Sociocrats by means other than office. He clearly despises the will of the people and seeks to undermine liberty at every level. The very mindset of the social democrat is to avoid trusting the people - either to improve themselves, or to think 'correctly'.


Well, I don't subscribe to the perfidy of conspiracy theories premised on assertions alone in the absence of facts.

Aside from that, in this period of uncertainty and unknown threats, of Sansha's incursions, Drifter invasions, and border violations by foreign powers that CONCORD has shown an inability to prevent then I would say SDII Director Blaque does his part to defend liberty by bringing to justice those who would undermine Federal strength and unity.

Peace at times can only be assured through power; and in this, men such as Director Blaque, President Roden and the Social Democratic Party have shown their stalwart commitment to peace as the manifest destiny of the Federation and its people.
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