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Curse of the Takmahl Statues !
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Omega Jovakko
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-11-10 03:41:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Jovakko
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Omega Jovakko wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Minmatar terrorists.


^That, basically what i'm trying to say in two words

At least we've had some success in our wars.

By rigging statues and hurting yourselves?
I can't say I envy such colossal success. Poor Theology Council inquisitor...


I know you say that as a joke, but it brings up a good point, what if these individuals weren't even there during the event? what if they had stepped away for some reason or even left the ship? Isn't there a way to check the manifest and see if they were even on staff when this occurred? I mean, first we would need to compare those who were at all/Most site when these things happened, but then we would have some sort of conclusion as to whodunnit,
Also, to answer your question. It MAY also be possible that the statue falling was a genuine accident, another coincidence, but I personally don't believe in those.

"Let them try and come. They've got 3 for every 1 of ours, it'll be a great time"
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-11-10 03:46:10 UTC
Omega Jovakko wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Omega Jovakko wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Minmatar terrorists.


^That, basically what i'm trying to say in two words

At least we've had some success in our wars.


Terrorism works, any first class Military specialist should accept it. it's true that sometimes the best way to send a message, or to overthrow your opponent is to resort to guerrilla tactics like this. I certainly would if I wanted to cripple a trading company.

Also, really? that hurt

No, it doesn't.

Terrorism is a poor man's war. It doesn't affect really combat efficiency of the enemy. It won't work against morally strong people like Caldari.

For example, if I would hit you with one fist into bladder, then as you bend down, follow with elbow strke to your spine to bring you down on the ground, that would be a military incapacitating operation. And if you'd be a terrorist, your reply would be to yell "BOO" and slap my cheek with a palm. How effective is that?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Omega Jovakko
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-11-10 03:50:01 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Omega Jovakko wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Omega Jovakko wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Minmatar terrorists.


^That, basically what i'm trying to say in two words

At least we've had some success in our wars.


Terrorism works, any first class Military specialist should accept it. it's true that sometimes the best way to send a message, or to overthrow your opponent is to resort to guerrilla tactics like this. I certainly would if I wanted to cripple a trading company.

Also, really? that hurt

No, it doesn't.

Terrorism is a poor man's war. It doesn't affect really combat efficiency of the enemy. It won't work against morally strong people like Caldari.

For example, if I would hit you with one fist into bladder, then as you bend down, follow with elbow strke to your spine to bring you down on the ground, that would be a military incapacitating operation. And if you'd be a terrorist, your reply would be to yell "BOO" and slap my cheek with a palm. How effective is that?


Commander, not to be rude,

but your interpretation of a terrorist is completely misunderstood, If i were a terrorist, and you assaulted me, and hypothetically I wanted to get revenge. It would be to scream 'boo' and simply slap you, I woudl wait until you leave your ship to go do whatever it is you usually do, like file a report and get a cup of coffee, then I would sabotage your warp drive, thrusters and life support, possibly attaching a common line to the two, so when you begin a diagnostics check on the drive, your life support is cut. Then while you're working on the sudden power loss I would detonate the remote explosives I place in your cargo hold and empty your hull into the deep black.

But that's of course IF I were a terrorist.

"Let them try and come. They've got 3 for every 1 of ours, it'll be a great time"
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#24 - 2015-11-10 03:55:34 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

No, it doesn't.

RIGHT....

Diana Kim wrote:
Terrorism is a poor man's war. It doesn't affect really combat efficiency of the enemy. It won't work against morally strong people like Caldari.

It has worked against those "with god on their side," it would work against your people just the same.

Diana Kim wrote:
For example, if I would hit you with one fist into bladder, then as you bend down, follow with elbow strke to your spine to bring you down on the ground, that would be a military incapacitating operation. And if you'd be a terrorist, your reply would be to yell "BOO" and slap my cheek with a palm. How effective is that?

More like a sniper in a window or your dormitory burning to the ground, what you said, not too effective. What I said, ya pretty effective.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-11-10 04:02:51 UTC
Omega Jovakko wrote:

Commander, not to be rude,

but your interpretation of a terrorist is completely misunderstood, If i were a terrorist, and you assaulted me, and hypothetically I wanted to get revenge. It would be to scream 'boo' and simply slap you, I woudl wait until you leave your ship to go do whatever it is you usually do, like file a report and get a cup of coffee, then I would sabotage your warp drive, thrusters and life support, possibly attaching a common line to the two, so when you begin a diagnostics check on the drive, your life support is cut. Then while you're working on the sudden power loss I would detonate the remote explosives I place in your cargo hold and empty your hull into the deep black.

But that's of course IF I were a terrorist.

Negative.

This isn't terrorism. This is a sabotage. Covert operation, infiltration and delayed demolition, with set up goal of a physical elimination of a choosen target, i.e. me. You will have to show exemplary covert skills to get on board of a military vessel: hacking, silent killing, reconnaisance, and so on, which terrorists usually lack.

Terrorist doesn't eliminate exact enemy. Objective of a terrorist is a target of minor, insignificant value, that won't affect enemy operations. Terrorist causes collateral damage to target's property or personnel without actual disrupting of hostile operations (since critical points are usually well defended and requires either professional infiltration or heavy military operation). Terrorist's attack has a goal not of a physical destruction, but inflicting fear and terror either to the target, or target's personnel.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Omega Jovakko
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-11-10 04:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Jovakko
Diana Kim wrote:
Omega Jovakko wrote:

Commander, not to be rude,

but your interpretation of a terrorist is completely misunderstood, If i were a terrorist, and you assaulted me, and hypothetically I wanted to get revenge. It would be to scream 'boo' and simply slap you, I woudl wait until you leave your ship to go do whatever it is you usually do, like file a report and get a cup of coffee, then I would sabotage your warp drive, thrusters and life support, possibly attaching a common line to the two, so when you begin a diagnostics check on the drive, your life support is cut. Then while you're working on the sudden power loss I would detonate the remote explosives I place in your cargo hold and empty your hull into the deep black.

But that's of course IF I were a terrorist.

Negative.

This isn't terrorism. This is a sabotage. Covert operation, infiltration and delayed demolition, with set up goal of a physical elimination of a choosen target, i.e. me. You will have to show exemplary covert skills to get on board of a military vessel: hacking, silent killing, reconnaisance, and so on, which terrorists usually lack.

Terrorist doesn't eliminate exact enemy. Objective of a terrorist is a target of minor, insignificant value, that won't affect enemy operations. Terrorist causes collateral damage to target's property or personnel without actual disrupting of hostile operations (since critical points are usually well defended and requires either professional infiltration or heavy military operation). Terrorist's attack has a goal not of a physical destruction, but inflicting fear and terror either to the target, or target's personnel.


And if you were stranded in space? No air to breath knowing that you had only a few more moments to live before you were engulfed in a blaze of fire that could be seen from god knows how far away? Wouldn't there be the slightest hint of fear for your life?
A terrorist doesn't have to abide by a single secular set of rules. Yes, it is ENTIRELY true that the objective of a terrorist is to instill fear in their target, no matter how small, or large. But one could go about it in any way, with any intent so long as their end goal remained the same

Put the fear of God in their enemy. At least, that's what I believe

So to answer your concern Ma'am, if I were one, and I knew that in those last few moments, you feared for your life, even if for a split second. I would know that the greatest fear one could have, I gave to you.

But of course I'm not a terrorist, haha, I hold you to a high regard and wouldn't do that, I would simply report you at least for assault.

"Let them try and come. They've got 3 for every 1 of ours, it'll be a great time"
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#27 - 2015-11-10 04:10:59 UTC
Omega Jovakko wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Omega Jovakko wrote:

Commander, not to be rude,

but your interpretation of a terrorist is completely misunderstood, If i were a terrorist, and you assaulted me, and hypothetically I wanted to get revenge. It would be to scream 'boo' and simply slap you, I woudl wait until you leave your ship to go do whatever it is you usually do, like file a report and get a cup of coffee, then I would sabotage your warp drive, thrusters and life support, possibly attaching a common line to the two, so when you begin a diagnostics check on the drive, your life support is cut. Then while you're working on the sudden power loss I would detonate the remote explosives I place in your cargo hold and empty your hull into the deep black.

But that's of course IF I were a terrorist.

Negative.

This isn't terrorism. This is a sabotage. Covert operation, infiltration and delayed demolition, with set up goal of a physical elimination of a choosen target, i.e. me. You will have to show exemplary covert skills to get on board of a military vessel: hacking, silent killing, reconnaisance, and so on, which terrorists usually lack.

Terrorist doesn't eliminate exact enemy. Objective of a terrorist is a target of minor, insignificant value, that won't affect enemy operations. Terrorist causes collateral damage to target's property or personnel without actual disrupting of hostile operations (since critical points are usually well defended and requires either professional infiltration or heavy military operation). Terrorist's attack has a goal not of a physical destruction, but inflicting fear and terror either to the target, or target's personnel.


And if you were stranded in space? No air to breath knowing that you had only a few more moments to live before you were engulfed in a blaze of fire that could be seen from god knows how far away? Wouldn't there be the slightest hint of fear for your life?
A terrorist doesn't have to abide by a single secular set of rules. Yes, it is ENTIRELY true that the objective of a terrorist is to instill fear in their target, no matter how small, or large. But one could go about it in any way, with any intent so long as their end goal remained the same

Put the fear of God in their enemy. At least, that's what I believe


Typically, a terrorist preforms relatively untargeted attacks. Maybe I'm just arguing semantics here, but what you described is more the work of an assassin. A typical 'terrorist' response would be to kill some people somewhere and then say "this is because I was assaulted". Terrorists need exposure to be effective, because they inspire terror in the general population, thus putting pressure on whomever they are trying to put pressure upon.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Omega Jovakko
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-11-10 04:12:23 UTC
Neph wrote:
Omega Jovakko wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Omega Jovakko wrote:

Commander, not to be rude,

but your interpretation of a terrorist is completely misunderstood, If i were a terrorist, and you assaulted me, and hypothetically I wanted to get revenge. It would be to scream 'boo' and simply slap you, I woudl wait until you leave your ship to go do whatever it is you usually do, like file a report and get a cup of coffee, then I would sabotage your warp drive, thrusters and life support, possibly attaching a common line to the two, so when you begin a diagnostics check on the drive, your life support is cut. Then while you're working on the sudden power loss I would detonate the remote explosives I place in your cargo hold and empty your hull into the deep black.

But that's of course IF I were a terrorist.

Negative.

This isn't terrorism. This is a sabotage. Covert operation, infiltration and delayed demolition, with set up goal of a physical elimination of a choosen target, i.e. me. You will have to show exemplary covert skills to get on board of a military vessel: hacking, silent killing, reconnaisance, and so on, which terrorists usually lack.

Terrorist doesn't eliminate exact enemy. Objective of a terrorist is a target of minor, insignificant value, that won't affect enemy operations. Terrorist causes collateral damage to target's property or personnel without actual disrupting of hostile operations (since critical points are usually well defended and requires either professional infiltration or heavy military operation). Terrorist's attack has a goal not of a physical destruction, but inflicting fear and terror either to the target, or target's personnel.


And if you were stranded in space? No air to breath knowing that you had only a few more moments to live before you were engulfed in a blaze of fire that could be seen from god knows how far away? Wouldn't there be the slightest hint of fear for your life?
A terrorist doesn't have to abide by a single secular set of rules. Yes, it is ENTIRELY true that the objective of a terrorist is to instill fear in their target, no matter how small, or large. But one could go about it in any way, with any intent so long as their end goal remained the same

Put the fear of God in their enemy. At least, that's what I believe


Typically, a terrorist preforms relatively untargeted attacks. Maybe I'm just arguing semantics here, but what you described is more the work of an assassin. A typical 'terrorist' response would be to kill some people somewhere and then say "this is because I was assaulted". Terrorists need exposure to be effective, because they inspire terror in the general population, thus putting pressure on whomever they are trying to put pressure upon.


Perhaps the term "Assassin" is more apt, but I feel this topic got a bit off track anyway.

Yes, Maybe not the work of "Terrorists" per-se, but you have to admit this isn't just some "Sp00ky" curse

"Let them try and come. They've got 3 for every 1 of ours, it'll be a great time"
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-11-10 04:19:22 UTC
Omega Jovakko wrote:

And if you were stranded in space? No air to breath knowing that you had only a few more moments to live before you were engulfed in a blaze of fire that could be seen from god knows how far away? Wouldn't there be the slightest hint of fear for your life?
A terrorist doesn't have to abide by a single secular set of rules. Yes, it is ENTIRELY true that the objective of a terrorist is to instill fear in their target, no matter how small, or large. But one could go about it in any way, with any intent so long as their end goal remained the same

Put the fear of God in their enemy. At least, that's what I believe

So to answer your concern Ma'am, if I were one, and I knew that in those last few moments, you feared for your life, even if for a split second. I would know that the greatest fear one could have, I gave to you.

But of course I'm not a terrorist, haha, I hold you to a high regard and wouldn't do that, I would simply report you at least for assault.

Unlike gallentean swines, I am not afraid of death.
Besides, such "terror" attack wouldn't be neither effective, nor terror attack, as the fear should be the message, and if I die, the message would be in vain. It still would be not-terror conventional sabotage and delayed demolition operation.

Terror attack against my ship would be killing some of my ship janitors or minor crew, that won't affect ship performance, but in attempt for more important and more defended crew members would be scared of serving on my ship.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-11-10 04:20:10 UTC
Neph wrote:

Typically, a terrorist preforms relatively untargeted attacks. Maybe I'm just arguing semantics here, but what you described is more the work of an assassin. A typical 'terrorist' response would be to kill some people somewhere and then say "this is because I was assaulted". Terrorists need exposure to be effective, because they inspire terror in the general population, thus putting pressure on whomever they are trying to put pressure upon.

Egg-zactly.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#31 - 2015-11-10 04:20:24 UTC
Omega Jovakko wrote:


Perhaps the term "Assassin" is more apt, but I feel this topic got a bit off track anyway.

Yes, Maybe not the work of "Terrorists" per-se, but you have to admit this isn't just some "Sp00ky" curse


Sorry, are you insinuating that Gutter Press might be misreporting non-news?

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Omega Jovakko
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-11-10 04:23:53 UTC
Neph wrote:
Omega Jovakko wrote:


Perhaps the term "Assassin" is more apt, but I feel this topic got a bit off track anyway.

Yes, Maybe not the work of "Terrorists" per-se, but you have to admit this isn't just some "Sp00ky" curse


Sorry, are you insinuating that Gutter Press might be misreporting non-news?


I invoke my right to silence.

"Let them try and come. They've got 3 for every 1 of ours, it'll be a great time"
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#33 - 2015-11-10 22:20:14 UTC
If the Empire does not already have a secret research program to weaponize Takmahl statues against the Minmatar, then it must develop such a program with all possible speed.

I myself have purchased every Takmahl "Holy Statue" that I could find available for sale in Jita (along with other Takmahl artifacts) and will be seeking assistance from the scientifically inclined in testing the destructive potential of these statues against my own slaves.

It is impossible, of course, not to see this discovery by Gutter Press as a point of evidence in favor of Amarr-Blood Raider Reunification.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#34 - 2015-11-10 22:53:36 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
If the Empire does not already have a secret research program to weaponize Takmahl statues against the Minmatar, then it must develop such a program with all possible speed.

I myself have purchased every Takmahl "Holy Statue" that I could find available for sale in Jita (along with other Takmahl artifacts) and will be seeking assistance from the scientifically inclined in testing the destructive potential of these statues against my own slaves.

It is impossible, of course, not to see this discovery by Gutter Press as a point of evidence in favor of Amarr-Blood Raider Reunification.

Blood Raiders are not racist, so how do you see this as evidence?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-11-10 23:38:16 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
If the Empire does not already have a secret research program to weaponize Takmahl statues against the Minmatar, then it must develop such a program with all possible speed.

I myself have purchased every Takmahl "Holy Statue" that I could find available for sale in Jita (along with other Takmahl artifacts) and will be seeking assistance from the scientifically inclined in testing the destructive potential of these statues against my own slaves.

It is impossible, of course, not to see this discovery by Gutter Press as a point of evidence in favor of Amarr-Blood Raider Reunification.

According to my theory the real weapon against these minmatars was their incompetence.
And the statues only played the role of an another_huge_object_they_failed_to_handle.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
morion
Lighting Build
#36 - 2015-11-11 00:17:31 UTC
Bah ! tinfoil
The space orange was probably used.
With it's unusual properties of being black unusually thick and hard as stone.
Drilled core extracted, replaced with charge
likely delivered in fruit baskets unnoticed.
Tribal communities have used this cheep shell casing for demolition for generations.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#37 - 2015-11-11 01:02:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Neph
morion wrote:
Bah ! tinfoil
The space orange was probably used.
With it's unusual properties of being black unusually thick and hard as stone.
Drilled core extracted, replaced with charge
likely delivered in fruit baskets unnoticed.
Tribal communities have used this cheep shell casing for demolition for generations.


What bizarre semi-sentient nanofluid did you accidentally drink?

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
morion
Lighting Build
#38 - 2015-11-11 01:12:14 UTC
With hydrolic orange presses splitting one mechanically,
is no diffrent to the extinct coconut.
it's a shame if a Minmatar technology was used nontraditional with ill intent.
myself beeing very superstitious. Spirits could very well have cursed the statues
it's all very fascinating.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2015-11-11 02:45:14 UTC
Takmahl philosophy being what it apparently was I wouldn't be at all surprised if their leaders intentionally had statues built top-heavy or with strangely positioned centers of mass to make the process of moving and placing them that much more entertaining.
morion
Lighting Build
#40 - 2015-11-11 03:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: morion
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...... \ -- /..... l
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in liew of a photo or a halo debate could rage forever
with multiple events it seems this one report is odd tipping, spirits, explosions, incompetence, mechanical flaws
imaginations could run wild calling terrorism and assassination seems uncalled for
So what do they look like
why move monuments?
I have moor questions but this report just requires moor details IMO