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Ace Lapointe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2015-12-23 08:55:15 UTC
Tamiroth wrote:
Ace Lapointe wrote:
Sister Tamiroth, I ask but one thing before I add anything of my own, why? Is it simply because of the dishonour he brings to your fathers name? Or is their another reason? I do not stand for what this man is, but a dark road is exactly that, and His light does not shine on the path of revenge or personal absolution.


Mr. Lapointe,

The reasons for fighting Nauplius must be evident for anyone who happens to look into this individual's history, and were stated multiple times by me and others in throughout this thread, but they bear repeating.

Nauplius is a capable combat pilot, but as a person, he is completely, fedo droppings grade, mad. He adheres to a some sort of homemade Sani Sabik-like heresy and is fixated on torture and mass human sacrifice. He loudly proclaims everywhere that God demands death and suffering and this is the true face of faith.

His latest act, if you haven't noticed, was to erect a "temple", where 27 000 slaves were to be sacrificed in horrific rituals to keep the demons (that were supposedly active on the surface of Afnakat VI) under control. He got the idea that there are demons on the planet from an article in Gutter Press.

No, this is not revenge. I fight for our Faith, because the Faith is pure. Our Faith brings purpose, order, hope and peace to all things, not chaos, death, destruction and blood. God sent us forth to cultivate the spirit of man, not to torture and murder the said man. Nauplius' actions, and - at this point - his very continued existence, is an affront to the faithful, and to me, personally.

As I said before, we must clean up our own crazies.


To wish someone dead simply for a difference in beliefs is not a good reason, however Sister Tamiroth, I will stand with you shall you wish a wingman, as the innocents should never be brought into our world, and should never be used in our games.

Also, Nauplius is still a man of honour despite what you think, in his own way, much as I am scum to some, and to others I am not, he has his own beliefs and thoughts, which he has followed with a dedication that is rather incredible, despite what he stands for, only a fool insults their enemy, you note his combat ability, but not his personality, other then the negatives, and unfortunately these are the things that happens when one follows something with such zeal.

I will not fight him because of his beliefs, for they are his and not something I can judge, I can only hope he will return to 'his' light one day, I will not attack him due to what he stands for, as that is his concern and his alone, I will stand with you, because he would harm the innocents of His kingdom, because he would draw the innocent mortals into his 'game', that is why I pledge my sword and name to your aid should you ever call, as do my crew. Ace Lapointe, Pirate-knight of Ishomilken is with you Sister Tamiroth, and in His light, we shall show the strength His true light can install. Until you call upon me, I bid you fair well. Oh, and good answer Sister, good answer.
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#202 - 2015-12-24 12:50:37 UTC
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To wish someone dead simply for a difference in beliefs is not a good reason
"difference in beliefs"? ... Uhm... Oh... Okay.

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Also, Nauplius is still a man of honour despite what you think, in his own way
Yes. He honours his word and is very consistent, even predictable, within the limits of his insanity. This does not make him less of a madman and heretic.

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I will not attack him due to what he stands for, as that is his concern and his alone
I doubt that his words about "God demands suffering and sarifice of all Minmatar slaves", consistently backed with actions, are his concern alone.

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I will stand with you, because he would harm the innocents of His kingdom, because he would draw the innocent mortals into his 'game'
Thank you. Though none of those "mortals", as you call them, are really innocent unless they are little babies (and certainly not innocent if they are enslaved criminals or prisoners of war), they are the souls that need guidance to light, and not horrible abuse and murder.

See, that's the difference between Nauplius and, for example, Funk. Funk, as a hardcore Blood Raider, goes for the "pure" clone blood and has little interest in baseliners. Most of her kills are small frigates, shuttles or capsuleer pods. Nauplius, on the other hand, mass murders helpless slaves who will never have a chance for a payback, or even have this atrocity noticed by the hypocrites of CONCORD.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#203 - 2015-12-24 17:00:54 UTC
Tamiroth wrote:
Though none of those "mortals", as you call them, are really innocent unless they are little babies...


Babies born to a bloodline tainted by sin are guilty, guilty, guilty. Even the wayward and liberal mainstream Amarr believe this; that's why we have generational slavery.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#204 - 2015-12-24 18:38:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Nauplius wrote:
Tamiroth wrote:
Though none of those "mortals", as you call them, are really innocent unless they are little babies...


Babies born to a bloodline tainted by sin are guilty, guilty, guilty. Even the wayward and liberal mainstream Amarr believe this; that's why we have generational slavery.

Are you sure?

I've seen hints of this sort of idea, but if it were the case in any very straightforward way, there would be no reason to release any enslaved people. There are certainly Amarr, including at least one I consider a friend, who talk about sinful blood, but there's another interpretation.

If slavery is a sort of spiritual and social apprenticeship, an entry-level introduction of persons into the Amarrian society, there is reason to be cautious about past influences-- especially in someone who has been Reclaimed by force, or who is only a couple generations removed from someone who was. Lingering resentments could be held, even cherished, for decades and generations. If those possessing them are allowed much freedom, those ideas could spread. Empire society seems to be very cautious about things like that; even the possibility isn't really acceptable, since any given incident is likely to mean souls lost, maybe irrevocably, from their god's kingdom.

Even when things like that diminish into someone's personal background, there's a risk of resurgence, and the Amarr, culturally, are really, really patient. They also don't seem to care very much about any single person's interests, even to the point of being really reluctant to promote someone within the society based on personal merit.

In more religious terms, the "sin" doesn't persist in the blood, but resonates in the social bond between parent and child. By the choices ancestors have made, they speak to their descendants until those choices are thoroughly forgotten.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#205 - 2015-12-24 19:59:51 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Tamiroth wrote:
Though none of those "mortals", as you call them, are really innocent unless they are little babies...


Babies born to a bloodline tainted by sin are guilty, guilty, guilty. Even the wayward and liberal mainstream Amarr believe this; that's why we have generational slavery.

Are you sure?

I've seen hints of this sort of idea, but if it were the case in any very straightforward way, there would be no reason to release any enslaved people. There are certainly Amarr, including at least one I consider a friend, who talk about sinful blood, but there's another interpretation.

If slavery is a sort of spiritual and social apprenticeship, an entry-level introduction of persons into the Amarrian society, there is reason to be cautious about past influences-- especially in someone who has been Reclaimed by force, or who is only a couple generations removed from someone who was. Lingering resentments could be held, even cherished, for decades and generations. If those possessing them are allowed much freedom, those ideas could spread. Empire society seems to be very cautious about things like that; even the possibility isn't really acceptable, since any given incident is likely to mean souls lost, maybe irrevocably, from their god's kingdom.

Even when things like that diminish into someone's personal background, there's a risk of resurgence, and the Amarr, culturally, are really, really patient. They also don't seem to care very much about any single person's interests, even to the point of being really reluctant to promote someone within the society based on personal merit.

In more religious terms, the "sin" doesn't persist in the blood, but resonates in the social bond between parent and child. By the choices ancestors have made, they speak to their descendants until those choices are thoroughly forgotten.


Transmission of sin in the bloodline does not preclude the possibility that said sin can be removed by some means or another — by toiling in slavery for generations (and then generations more as commoners) as in the mainstream Amarr religion, or by dramatic blood sacrifices of consecrated Minmatar slaves as in my sect.

If "sin" were merely something transmitted by parents to children through the process of child rearing, then we could cleanse a line of sin merely by removing children born to tainted parents and having someone righteous (or perhaps some Imperial orphanage or what not) raise them instead. In this way we'd "cleanse" a line of sin in a single generation.

But that's not the way sin is transmitted. Bloodlines do matter. That's why the Empire has a sort-of racial hierarchy of righteousness (True Amarr > Khanid > Ni-Kunni > Udorians > Minmatar, for example) that changes very slowly over time and while exceptions do exist (as in one of the remaining contenders for the Throne) the very fact that these exceptions are noted and thought of as unusual demonstrates the persistence of the general rule.
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#206 - 2015-12-25 10:59:44 UTC
Indeed, the parents' sins do accumulate on their children, starting with their ancestors' original sin of abandoning God. Thus God punishes those who, in their blind and rebellious selfishness, reject the truth. But one must differentiate between the sins inherited and the sins willfully committed through one's choices in life. For it is written:

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin"

Each new generation starts with no sins of their own, but only with the dark legacy of their short-sighted forefathers. Each newborn may yet be saved in the future, may see the light and redeem the curse of inherited sins weighing upon his soul. This task is hard, but, through the purifying devotion of oneself to God, it is possible. For it is written:

"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen,
to bring forth the light of faith
And those who embrace his love
Shall be saved by his grace"


God's wisdom and mercy is all-encompassing. God is above understanding of a mortal creature. Who are you, Nauplius, to decide which soul is predestined to eventually be saved by God and which is not? Who are you to butcher hope, to interfere with the process of bringing the lost peoples to His light, the great Reclaiming of souls?

Oh wait, you're the man who tried to write his own Scripture.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#207 - 2015-12-26 00:39:40 UTC
Tamiroth wrote:
God's wisdom and mercy is all-encompassing. God is above understanding of a mortal creature. Who are you, Nauplius, to decide which soul is predestined to eventually be saved by God and which is not? Who are you to butcher hope, to interfere with the process of bringing the lost peoples to His light, the great Reclaiming of souls?


I bring God's light to the Minmatar slaves. They are instructed, brainwashed even, with the teachings of the Faith, the election of God, and doctrine of Hell. They are present at every sacrificial rite. And on occasion, one of them deciphers the meaning of those sacred rites, and makes himself Chosen by bringing death to his fellow slaves. O how great is God's mercy when a slave so becomes Chosen; an instant transformation from one doomed to the Pit to one who will see Paradise. Can your Faith, Tamiroth, do that?
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#208 - 2015-12-26 00:59:24 UTC
I'm quite sure that neither mine, nor Cpt. Tamiroth Alet Azaph's Faith cause delusions like yours, heretic. That's why you don't have Faith but are a creature of superstition and, worse, heresy.
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#209 - 2015-12-26 02:53:52 UTC
He's just hopelessly mad.
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#210 - 2016-02-28 14:07:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiroth
I considered to post most of this in Aria Jenneth's "Sojourn" thread, but decided not to derail it, and so this goes here.

Seeing what Nauplius and many others like him do on daily basis and the aftermath of it... Is... unbearable anymore. One madman, no matter how industrious, can be impeded and ultimately eliminated. But he's not the disease. He's a festering pustule, but he's but a symptom.

What that monster does with people casts a shadow not only on him, or all of Sani Sabik, or the entire Amarr Empire, because we were either unable or not willing to stop him.

It casts a shadow on the humanity as a whole, because no other species are able to mass produce suffering on such scale as we do now with capsuleers' help.

But first and foremost, it's the Jovians who are guilty. They started this horrid uncontrolled social experiment that should not be. Their poisoned "gift" started the human weapons race that allows things like Nauplius to exist.

I curse them all and what they've done to us, and I reject their fake immortality and their technology, because I just can't... I feel disgust when I see the capsule interface again and feel the pod goo. Enough of this. I hate this. I refuse to participate in this experiment anymore.

With this, I send all the best wishes to all the good people I met in SFRIM and other Imperial loyalists; and everyone else who managed to stay human despite the horrors that this Jovian trap brought upon us all.

For now, it would be best for me to return home, to live in peace.

See you :)
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#211 - 2016-02-28 15:07:34 UTC
Walking away is still a choice and it does not absolve you of the very real and adult notion that you must accept the responsibility of your actions.

We are capable of great horror, but also great good. In leaving, you cut yourself off the ability to be something better.

But so be it. Go with God. I pray you find peace and I pray you find absolution.

I doubt you will, but you have my prayers nonetheless.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#212 - 2016-02-28 20:43:25 UTC
You can not run from what you are Tamiroth, especially knowing that there is still work to be done.