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Declaration Against Khanid II
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Raphael Saint
Imperium Aeternum
#1 - 2015-11-09 02:33:59 UTC
We saw all the declarations for the various heirs before the succession trials began. I hereby declare against Khanid II.

Let's not forget that just 300 years ago he had his chance at the throne, lost, and instead of Shathol'Syn decided to rob the Empire of a third of it's fleet and almost a tenth of it's lands. Instead of loyalty to the Empire, he chose loyalty to himself.

I attempted to personally stop his bid to the throne and but for a few extra seconds I may have still had that opportunity. While my full support is still behind Lady Catiz Tash-Murkon and by extension her champion Kelon Darklight, I now also extend my resources to the other champions as well.

The Court Chamberlain made a grievous mistake in continuing Jamyl's forgiving attitude towards this traitor by allowing him to be a contender for the Throne. He gave up that right when he betrayed the Empire. He cannot be allowed to ascend the throne.

God be praised.
Khanid be damned.
Amarr Victor.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-11-09 02:46:03 UTC
Then shoot his Champions to pieces. Make sure his Champions never made it to the end.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#3 - 2015-11-09 03:00:27 UTC
Of course, interfering with the champions' representation of King Khanid in the Trials would immediately put you on the 'Kill On Sight Forever' list for the Empire...
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-11-09 03:10:14 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Of course, interfering with the champions' representation of King Khanid in the Trials would immediately put you on the 'Kill On Sight Forever' list for the Empire...


The shooting can be done *inside* the Trials.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-11-09 04:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinjin Mokk
Raphael Saint wrote:
We saw all the declarations for the various heirs before the succession trials began. I hereby declare against Khanid II.

Let's not forget that just 300 years ago he had his chance at the throne, lost, and instead of Shathol'Syn decided to rob the Empire of a third of it's fleet and almost a tenth of it's lands. Instead of loyalty to the Empire, he chose loyalty to himself.

I attempted to personally stop his bid to the throne and but for a few extra seconds I may have still had that opportunity. While my full support is still behind Lady Catiz Tash-Murkon and by extension her champion Kelon Darklight, I now also extend my resources to the other champions as well.

The Court Chamberlain made a grievous mistake in continuing Jamyl's forgiving attitude towards this traitor by allowing him to be a contender for the Throne. He gave up that right when he betrayed the Empire. He cannot be allowed to ascend the throne.

God be praised.
Khanid be damned.
Amarr Victor.



My dear Mr. Saint,

Your opinion is noted.

However, Khanid's inclusion in the Empire, and subsequently the Trials, was a process that was started by our dear, late Empress and ratified by both the Privy and Theology Councils. The Court Chamberlain, as the current interim leader of the Empire, backed with the Councils is about as close to the Word of God as you're likely to get.

Your opinion is irrelevant. Your dissatisfaction is irrelevant. Your words are...unfortunate and ill-advised.

The only thing that is required of you is obedience to the Empire and the Will of God. But do please let us know if you are currently having a crisis of faith so that you may receive the correction you deserve.


Khanid Victor!
Amarr Victor!

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Arrendis
TK Corp
#6 - 2015-11-09 04:36:41 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Of course, interfering with the champions' representation of King Khanid in the Trials would immediately put you on the 'Kill On Sight Forever' list for the Empire...


The shooting can be done *inside* the Trials.


Only if he's one of the other champions.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#7 - 2015-11-09 17:46:46 UTC
Have fun storming the castle!

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#8 - 2015-11-09 17:52:08 UTC
May the champions of the five houses ensure that Khanid's influence does not reach the Imperial Throne.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#9 - 2015-11-09 18:35:44 UTC
Khanid is a royal House, and a legit pretender to the Throne. You seem to imply that you don't have faith in the Trial and in God's judgment.
But, us, the 4 Knights of Khanid, we do believe in it.

Only the Holy Battlefield will bring the answer you're seeking.

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-11-09 18:44:15 UTC
May the Tetrimon Order be able and unfailing.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#11 - 2015-11-10 04:05:13 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
May the Tetrimon Order be able and unfailing.

rega
Haha. The Tetrimon were neutered by the Empire long ago. They will never be allowed to return to their full purpose because it would be inconvenient for those in power. Not that I'm complaining.

If Khanid wasn't such a bad choice for the Empire, I would be very amused if he won. It would be very interesting to see where certain Amarrian loyalties lay when the hand is forced.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#12 - 2015-11-11 18:21:08 UTC
I still want to know why my application for Emperess never went through. House Osyn deserves a shot at the throne.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Yarosara Ruil
#13 - 2015-11-11 21:13:13 UTC
And this is why the heirs of each house are forced to off themselves after a new Emperor rises to the throne.

How in this dark hour of strife, without a leader to guide them and their enemies rallying at their doorstep, can the Amarr Empire afford having their loyalists rabble rousing each other? They just can't.

The Championships are underway. Hopefully, everything will soon be decided.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#14 - 2015-11-11 21:19:33 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
The Championships are underway. Hopefully, everything will soon be decided.


Not until spring. The finals take place in early YC118.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2015-11-11 21:53:40 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:


If Khanid wasn't such a bad choice for the Empire, I would be very amused if he won. It would be very interesting to see where certain Amarrian loyalties lay when the hand is forced.


People said the same about Doriam before he was named Emperor, and they said the same about Jamyl before she was ratified.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Yarosara Ruil
#16 - 2015-11-12 00:32:36 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
The Championships are underway. Hopefully, everything will soon be decided.


Not until spring. The finals take place in early YC118.


True, true.


In hindsight, these sort of events should only ever happen ever couple of hundred of years. We had two in this century already. What is a couple of months in preparation for a future emperor?

We can only hope things don't escalate until Spring.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#17 - 2015-11-12 01:02:05 UTC
I'm probably out of place asking this, but using the "might makes right" method to decide on a ruler is a little barbaric, is it not? Coming from a "divine culture" couldn't you use, I dunno, logic and reason to dictate who is a better leader? Faith is great and all, though alot of you seem to lack it in your own system you follow, but couldn't your faith be used more constructively? I'm not trying to poke fun at you (I know it probably seems like it) but..... Well do I have to say it?
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2015-11-12 07:19:06 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
I'm probably out of place asking this, but using the "might makes right" method to decide on a ruler is a little barbaric, is it not? Coming from a "divine culture" couldn't you use, I dunno, logic and reason to dictate who is a better leader? Faith is great and all, though alot of you seem to lack it in your own system you follow, but couldn't your faith be used more constructively? I'm not trying to poke fun at you (I know it probably seems like it) but..... Well do I have to say it?


What is that determines how you fit your ship if not logic and reason?

And yes, you are out of place.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Yarosara Ruil
#19 - 2015-11-12 13:36:20 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
I'm probably out of place asking this, but using the "might makes right" method to decide on a ruler is a little barbaric, is it not? Coming from a "divine culture" couldn't you use, I dunno, logic and reason to dictate who is a better leader? Faith is great and all, though alot of you seem to lack it in your own system you follow, but couldn't your faith be used more constructively? I'm not trying to poke fun at you (I know it probably seems like it) but..... Well do I have to say it?


A ruler is only as strong as the people that follow him. It is only logical for a leader to be chosen based on the strength of a champion that supports him, when compared with his challengers.

That is as close to "the will of God" one can get.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#20 - 2015-11-12 14:51:17 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:


What is that determines how you fit your ship if not logic and reason?

And yes, you are out of place.


I use logic and reason to fit my ship for a purpose. My crew doesn't demand I remove the J5b or burn it out purposely because its not a Faint Epsilon. So what is the purpose behind having your leader chosen by a blood sport? I can understand why the losers kill themselves after, that at least has an obvious reason behind it. I also don't use the same ships and modules I learned with blindly due to tradition. I've evolved away from things of old as anyone should to be successful in anything. And, sorry you see it as out of place, personally I would think the title of this thread is out of place as well for anyone who really has this faith you all tout. Same with the "Max Singularity is not worthy champion," "'Heir' Khanid selects Sani Sabik Champion," and a few others. I'm not complaining about it. Just don't feel too angry when even your enemies find it funny enough to speak up on it.

Yarosara Ruil wrote:


A ruler is only as strong as the people that follow him. It is only logical for a leader to be chosen based on the strength of a champion that supports him, when compared with his challengers.

That is as close to "the will of God" one can get.

Hypothetically If I was of this "faith" does that mean if I can muster up a large enough force and get a cyno lit in the battle I should be the new Empress of Amarr? The heirs all have one person following them, and I have a fleet, wouldn't that make me or lets say The Imperium stronger? I don't buy the "Might makes right" philosophy.
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