Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. You are correct that if you (the attacker) has enough control of the system to stop ratting in the system by the sov holders, then you could entosis the system.

Thats not what I'm talking about.

I'm saying that if you're going to make your (IMO, lame) playstyle to hot-drop players for no other reason than you want to blow stuff up because you think its fun, you should meet strong resistance to that and the sov holders should have every advantage.

On the other hand, if you and your fleet/corp/alliance/coalition are serious about taking Sov from another entity, then use every means possible, including hot-drops, harassment, camping (cloaky or not) and any other thing that drops indices and ruins activity.

There is a big difference between those two activities. This first adds up to vandalism, and has no long term benefit to the vandal, and only causes, at best, a brief period of decreased activity, or, at worst, all manner of rage-quitting, frustration and anger from the victim.

The latter is a legitimate means of disrupting social, economic and industrial activities and will have long-lasting effects for both the attacker and the victim and there should be clear mechanics and counters of varying effectiveness for whatever an attacker can think up to do.

As said previously, I don't care how many blops get counter dropped on me. Yes, using unsupported capitals should be risky, and if you are the only capital in system, you should be at risk, and people should have ways to ruin your day that are reasonable. Never forget that the cornerstone of this game is that you can have your day ruined by someone else; this is largely not true for ratting carriers in deep null. Does it happen? Yes, but that doesn't mean it happens enough given the sheer amount of them out there. Risk free ISK is bad for the game, as is risk free sov defense.




This is all sorts of crossed up. When a freighter gets tackled and ganked, I cheer. When I see capitals make mistakes and be punished, I am happy. It is the absence of risk which upsets me as a player of this game. I have ganked in HS, I will gank in HS again, HS ganking is a good part of the game, and the only people who get ganked are people who let themselves get ganked. I have ganked more in HS than the majority of the people responding to this thread: I ran a ganking corporation even. I will never support the HS carebears who want their life risk-free, just as I am not supporting the NS carebears who want their ratting carriers to give them risk-free isk.

I am happy to dunk just as I am happy to get dunked from a good play, or a good set up, or taking good (or bad!) bait. I have been both a nullbear, and an antagonist in null. The people who cry about freighter safety are cut from the same cloth as people who want to live under a nice warm blanket of capital protection while ratting, having both risk free income, and risk free sov defense. Comparing me to that is just plain bizarre: I am for risk, consequences, and game play. There is currently a pitiful amount of risk, essentially no consequences, and a complete lack of meaningful gameplay with ratting caps on a regular basis.

I'm not begging. Its a suggestion, and that is what this forum is for. Even if it is never seriously considered, it is still worth posting so long as it is thought provoking. If freighters suddenly could not be ganked in HS, i'd rally to that cause; it is because carriers cannot be ganked in null that I am advocating this one. Either case represents where opportunity cost for something is nothing because there isn't an appreciable amount of risk, and that devalues everything about the activity and what it produces for the economy.

Think about the state of the game. CODE. enforces their code in HS only. Why is that? Certainly the biggest offenders of AFK gameplay are not in HS. Some part of it is attributable to just how easy it is to dunk a freighter, which again, great job capitalizing, pun intended, on someone else's mistake; that this can happen is why this game is great. People generally do not want to bother with content creation in null, as it is comparatively unrewarding and difficult compared to HS content creation and antagonism. Case in point, a bumped freighter is dead, tackling a carrier is a death sentence.

You look bad enough already.

Cyno jammers should be removed from the game - period. Cyno jamming removes content opportunities from the game. By design that's the ony actual function of a cyno jammer - deny explosion opportunities. Polish it up however you like, but it'll only ever be a content denial mechanism.

has CODE. gone to CCP and whined that they need help ganking freighters?

Oh, and no, you are not seeing capitals projecting force a large area in this case, unless you consider 5 (maybe 10) light years a large area.

The correct answer here is, not yet. I honestly hope they never need to, but I'm not holding my breath, considering all of the other nerfs to high sec content creation. Can flipping is dead, for example. Awoxing, is also dead. Hyperdunking is either gone or about to be. Is freighter ganking next?

Keep in mind, three changes collectively push the problem I am describing here over the top in my opinion – Phoebe jump changes, null WH nerfs, and the increase in density of anomalies, as this makes a 5ly radius capable of support a huge amount of players, resulting in the net amount of protection projected extremely encompassing.

Just as written above. The increase in density allows 5ly to cover many players, even if it is not many systems. Most ratting carriers can still safely live under the carrier umbrella of extreme safety.

Yes. I fully noted that.

Which again, they haven't asked for boosts yet. As it is, if they want a freighter dead, they have the means and the tools to make sure it happens almost without fail.

If or when such a time comes along when this is not true, they would raise holy hell over it. EvE without risk is not EvE. Which is the reason for this thread at all in the first place.

Read between the lines. HS lost can baiting, awoxing, and several other completely unwarranted content creation nerfs lately. At some point in the future, if this trend is at all continued or predictive of future changes, there will be a nerf to freighter ganking in its present form. When this happens, when you can no longer realistically target and take down freighters, CODE. and others will ask for boosts or changes, as they very well should in this hypothetical case.

They do not need to complain, describe problems, or 'whine' as some are saying here, as currently there is content to be created using the tools that are available. When and if such a time comes as they cannot create content with the tools that are available, there will be the wailing and gnashing of teeth, and there will be a great stagnation in HS as there currently is in NS.

The parallel that is supposed to be ironic is that you'd cheer and defend HS gankers on in their quest to shoot down all the freighters, which I agree with, but you seem to think that it is okay to have a risk free null care of cynos.

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