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New Citadel BPO's

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amerana
Balkan Kings
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2015-11-08 12:09:09 UTC
So..... New shiny BPO's coming in the new patch...

Anyone thats investing in these what do you reckon the best plan is?

A) Run off copies for re-sale to manufacturers as soon as you can get you hands on a BPO (IE no ME/TE research)?

B) Run off manufacturing jobs for yourself to resale as soon as you can get hands on the BPO (No ME/TE research)?

C) Stick the BPO straight in the oven for ME research for re-sale, for future higher copy sales/better build costs? And miss out on the initial price rush?

It seemls like a bit of a hard descision to me... Might have to buy 2...

What you guys think?
Prethor Genegod
Fire Extinguisher Inc.
#2 - 2015-11-08 15:22:26 UTC
The question is how much will they cost and how popular the copies will be. It's all about the returns on the investment.
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#3 - 2015-11-08 20:07:50 UTC
Prethor Genegod wrote:
The question is how much will they cost and how popular the copies will be. It's all about the returns on the investment.


The current plan is for them to cost 10x the cost of the outpost themselves, so medium=6 bil, large=70 bil, and medium=700 bil

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/building-your-citadel-one-block-at-a-time/
Binscarth
Zephyr Corp
#4 - 2015-11-08 20:41:34 UTC
One has to imagine there will be a really long phase in time, so if build cost were the only factor, I imagine most would wait for researched BPCs. People that would construct early would do so because of better functionality, or cost savings in fuel blocks. If I understand correctly, the citadels won't use fuel unless doing something active, so personally I would expect a savings of 16 million most days, which means I'm going to build ASAP.

For the larger structures, fuel cost might actually increase versus current large towers, so people might hold out for that reason, use their less expensive POSes longer, and benefit from reduced construction costs.

Were I doing it, I would just copy the small, research the large, and copy the XL. Once the first round of XL copies showed on the market, it would give you a better idea of how many were purchased. For the rigs and such, I'd copy them and get them out, because there would be greater demand due to the low cost of entry, for manufacturers that wanted to get the first stuff to market.
Max Fubarticus
K Diamond Holding LTD.
Bullets Bombs and Blondes
#5 - 2015-11-09 12:14:27 UTC
amerana wrote:
So..... New shiny BPO's coming in the new patch...

Anyone thats investing in these what do you reckon the best plan is?

A) Run off copies for re-sale to manufacturers as soon as you can get you hands on a BPO (IE no ME/TE research)?

B) Run off manufacturing jobs for yourself to resale as soon as you can get hands on the BPO (No ME/TE research)?

C) Stick the BPO straight in the oven for ME research for re-sale, for future higher copy sales/better build costs? And miss out on the initial price rush?

It seemls like a bit of a hard descision to me... Might have to buy 2...

What you guys think?



At 700 Bil isk for the XL, you are better off investing in one of several "Citadel" bond offerings for a long term ROI. As only 2-3% of the active player base possesses the liquidity to actually purchase, ME/TE, copy an XL, they are beyond the realm of the average Joe. CCP stated that the intent was to keep the BPO price high to encourage long term investment ( read as play eve for a very long time ).

M and L Citadel is another story altogether. At 7 bil for a M, I can see some who will go straight to the copy phase and make a short term ROI. The smartest way ( imo ), would be to endure the full process ( ME/TE, copy, etc.) and go for the long term investment just as you would for Cap ship components and such. I really believe M's will see the highest initial use for 1-2 years after release. I was fortunate enough to find a fire sale / rage quit character who thought Outpost Component BPO's were going away, and I purchased a full set of fully ME/TE of BPO's for 1/3 actual value. Kits... That is where the rubber meets the road. Build Kits!

Depending upon who you ask, 70 bil is chump change in Eve. But... 70 bil is still a large investment for a BPO. The same process for a M applies here.

Look forward! The M / L / XL are just the "base line" structures that will be initially rolled out. Their functionality goes as far as their attributes and bonuses ( even with T2 rigs ). Drilling Platforms, Research / Manufacturing Arrays, Observatories, and who knows what else is coming down the pipe that will allow the industrialist to focus on a niche market. Not to mention the initial roll out of over 30+ rig flavors (approx) and even more different module flavors. There is a lot to consider here. Don't get too narrowly focused in the beginning.Big smile

Max

Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never. Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.
amerana
Balkan Kings
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2015-11-10 12:43:54 UTC
Very good points Max

I was thinking about investing in a Large and just going for the long term gain - IE sticking it right into get ME TE work done...

I know its a big investment and im effectively writing off 70 odd percent of my liquid ISK, but i'm hoping it will pay off in a year or so down the line (After some research) and net me a good bit of profit.

Exciting times ahead with the future structure buildings and am looking forward to also investing in some more structures as and when they come out.
Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-11-10 16:29:14 UTC
I not much of an industrialist, but I can see how outpost build kits will definitely be a thing in the near future (just like Capital build kits.) Wish i had the liquid ISK to get into that market.

Cedric
Hemmo Paskiainen
#8 - 2015-11-11 18:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Like with the pi, it is getting swarmed all over. In contrary to outpost kits, due to the masses allready jumped onto it, dont bother if ppl are after fast roi. Lots of me8-9's are allready out and will suppress initial roi untill the market flooding comes. Good luck with that, minimal marges and minimal roi. This all on top of the existing copy for fututer use now outpost sales plummets.

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-11-15 02:34:23 UTC
amerana wrote:
So..... New shiny BPO's coming in the new patch...

Anyone thats investing in these what do you reckon the best plan is?

A) Run off copies for re-sale to manufacturers as soon as you can get you hands on a BPO (IE no ME/TE research)?

B) Run off manufacturing jobs for yourself to resale as soon as you can get hands on the BPO (No ME/TE research)?

C) Stick the BPO straight in the oven for ME research for re-sale, for future higher copy sales/better build costs? And miss out on the initial price rush?

It seemls like a bit of a hard descision to me... Might have to buy 2...

What you guys think?



You missed another important option. Research up the TE a little as people will be racing to buy and build.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-11-15 02:53:40 UTC
other than swag, there is no reason to have a citadel a day before the other guy.
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#11 - 2015-11-16 00:54:59 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
other than swag, there is no reason to have a citadel a day before the other guy.


True, but people love their epeen...