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Fighting PL, advice?

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steave435
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-12-14 11:08:58 UTC
The Racketeer wrote:
Xolve wrote:
The Racketeer wrote:
sensor boosters and tracking computers witch take time to re-script.


WOT?

Re-Script is pretty instantaneous. Right Click, Select, Boom.


If they are fit to snipe with optimal out to 150km they have several of each, that takes several seconds to change out.

If you can come in on their falloff and let them take some pot shots and then warp to with-in 15km you gave yourself easy 8-10 seconds while they re-script and lock targets. If your in 500 DPS BCs you can get your locks, get your traversal up and kill 1 or 2 before they get their first shot off. By then, you will have your traversal up and be difficult to hit, have them bubbled, and have the upper hand.

Confirming this is exactly what you should do and that we have our ships filled completely with scripted mods. Our fits are also not at all publicly available on killboards.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#22 - 2011-12-14 12:34:50 UTC
heaventrice wrote:
So PL has been dropping around the area latly. Usually in LR rohks with scimmy support and doing quiet well. I was wondering what tactic and ship types would be most effective against them? Advice is welcome.


You should come to these forums and beg CCP to nerf everything they fly. In about six months you will be winning.
The Bear08
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-12-14 16:33:14 UTC
I don't know an exact counter myself, heavily buffered armour HAC's seems the obvious choice but have a look at this video of their fleet in action. Watch how it moves, how they keep their logi behind their fleet and see if you can see a way of getting amongst them Smile

PL Sniper Fleet
Biscuit0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2011-12-15 10:03:17 UTC
The Bear08 wrote:
I don't know an exact counter myself, heavily buffered armour HAC's seems the obvious choice but have a look at this video of their fleet in action. Watch how it moves, how they keep their logi behind their fleet and see if you can see a way of getting amongst them Smile

PL Sniper Fleet


I would try probing for "Guardian" or "Scimitar" class space boats and then warping to the result. Crazy idea but it just might work.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-12-15 12:36:13 UTC
It's a simple two step process.
1. Cyno-jam
2. Kill

It's a well known fact that PL can't fight without a blob of supers at least 2x the size of the opposing fleet at their side.
Kel'taith
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-12-15 13:23:53 UTC
If you aren't a mongoloid bombers could be effective. Or hilarious if you are terrible. One or the other.
Galatica789
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#27 - 2011-12-15 15:03:55 UTC
TBH I believe AUTOZ was much more effective than ANTI in Amamake. Everyone knows that AUTOZ doimantes Herecic in almost every category, We got better quality kills, AUTOZ > ANTI. (Please ANTI do not rage and link kills you get agaisnt our newer memebers, yes we accualty alllow new memebrs to be in the same corp as us /o\ ).

I also go onto to confirm that ANTI always runs forom AUTOZ now :( execpt Endureth, he is a real trooper. Now back to the subject, AUTOZ was better at expelling PL from the area tha ANTI, let these kills be my proof:

http://autoz.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10848968 (Bhaalgorn/Sabre/Falcon)
http://autoz.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10750384 (Tengu)
http://autoz.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10741999(Tengu)
http://autoz.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10742304 (Shiny Curse)
http://autoz.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10736066(Shiny Cynabal)

OFC we killed much more, just a few highlights
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2011-12-15 17:05:10 UTC
im about 98% sure pl "left" because they felt like, not because they were getting owned there

edit: i mean jesus christ they were camping gates with titans and not one lowsec entity did a goddamned thing about it
Kel'taith
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-12-15 22:16:16 UTC
I can confirm that Autocannons and Heritic (who the **** are these guys?) Owned us hard and we ran from Amamake. You should contract yourselves to AAA and save them from us.
lilizo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-12-17 11:00:57 UTC
Galatica789 wrote:
TBH I believe AUTOZ was much more effective than ANTI in Amamake. Everyone knows that AUTOZ doimantes Herecic in almost every category, We got better quality kills, AUTOZ > ANTI. (Please ANTI do not rage and link kills you get agaisnt our newer memebers, yes we accualty alllow new memebrs to be in the same corp as us /o\ ).

I also go onto to confirm that ANTI always runs forom AUTOZ now :( execpt Endureth, he is a real trooper. Now back to the subject, AUTOZ was better at expelling PL from the area tha ANTI, let these kills be my proof:

http://autoz.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10848968 (Bhaalgorn/Sabre/Falcon)
http://autoz.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10750384 (Tengu)
http://autoz.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10741999(Tengu)
http://autoz.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10742304 (Shiny Curse)
http://autoz.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10736066(Shiny Cynabal)

OFC we killed much more, just a few highlights


tl;dr: blob them.
Cletus Graeme
Shai Dorsai
#31 - 2011-12-18 08:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Cletus Graeme
As you can see from their modest claims and humble posts, AA totally owned us while we were in Amamake to the extent that we were terrified to even undock while they fapped off to their massive boners.

Their use of disposable ruptures and superior numbers to gank stuff was truly original and just proves how amazingly awesome they are at small gang pvp.

I'd suggest you try a variation of their fleet composition against the rokhs+scimis used by PL since it was clearly, very effect in demoralising us and eventually kicking us out of Amamake (never to return) with our ep33n firmly between our legs.

Good Luck!
Mumtaz Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2011-12-18 08:33:05 UTC
The best solution is to just not fight PL. They don't bring good fights anyway.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2011-12-18 08:49:15 UTC
Cletus Graeme wrote:
As you can see from their modest claims and humble posts, AA totally owned us while we were in Amamake to the extent that we were terrified to even undock while they fapped off to their massive boners.

Their use of disposable ruptures and superior numbers to gank stuff was truly original and just proves how amazingly awesome they are at small gang pvp.

I'd suggest you try a variation of their fleet composition against the rokhs+scimis used by PL since it was clearly, very effect in demoralising us and eventually kicking us out of Amamake (never to return) with our ep33n firmly between our legs.

Good Luck!


Im on the opposite side of this. I want you guys to move back so we have things to fight again.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
whaynethepain
#34 - 2011-12-18 09:00:01 UTC
Some would revel in a chance to do battle against a top rated PVP alliance, and learn from the experience.

Others would rather dock up and do some forum warrior type tactics.

Contrary to popular belief, it is very possible to catch PL members in small gangs, or even solo, mostly in nul-sec.

They are not the type of alliance to sit on Jita undock shooting mission runners, and the only spam I've seen in local chat has been GF, GF.

Lucky you is what I say.

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2011-12-18 14:38:14 UTC
You see the occasional PL player out solo or in a small gang. But it's not really hugely different from other alliances like that. Most of them just do gangs and fleets and there's a small number of regulars that will go out on their own. Their solo and small gang players are pretty good.

The thing about fighting PL is that it's usually not very fun. They've built a reputation for dropping supers on almost anything. The learning you get from having a dozen supers dropped is not to engage again. A lot of them will also only log on next to a titan when they get pinged, so they tend not to formup in the same way a 'normal' alliance would if you sat around near their home-systems.

But if you're on your own or in a group of 2 or 3 then sure you might get a good fight out of PL.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#36 - 2011-12-27 01:45:03 UTC
they left amake brcause they got a new contract. best way to fight pl is by not fighting them. deny them fights. make them grind structures; they love that. if they are getting to annoying, redeploy and go do fun stuff; farm carebears or pets.

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Forum Fighter
Doomheim
#37 - 2011-12-27 18:26:37 UTC
So essentially- fighting PL is quite easy. The best counter to blobbing faggots is not give them anything to blob.
Also- Heretic Army beat the snot out of PL, just ask Jude Lloyd.

Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil Hat™
Othran
Route One
#38 - 2011-12-27 18:37:19 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
they left amake brcause they got a new contract. best way to fight pl is by not fighting them. deny them fights. make them grind structures; they love that. if they are getting to annoying, redeploy and go do fun stuff; farm carebears or pets.


**** that.

I'd rather have a try at it than your way.

I have absolutely no doubt that mid/long-term I'd lose, simply on an iskies basis. I'm 100% certain that I'd get some decent (by my standards) kills though.

However I've heard the "deny them fights, bore them" argument since 2003 about everyone from Space Invaders through Reikoku, Evolution and all the rest. Its bollox and anyone who advocates that should just leave their corp/alliance. Doesn't matter who you fight, if you get to that stage then give it up and leave. Your corp will be better for it.
Craggus
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-12-27 19:23:07 UTC
Othran wrote:
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
they left amake brcause they got a new contract. best way to fight pl is by not fighting them. deny them fights. make them grind structures; they love that. if they are getting to annoying, redeploy and go do fun stuff; farm carebears or pets.


**** that.

I'd rather have a try at it than your way.

I have absolutely no doubt that mid/long-term I'd lose, simply on an iskies basis. I'm 100% certain that I'd get some decent (by my standards) kills though.

However I've heard the "deny them fights, bore them" argument since 2003 about everyone from Space Invaders through Reikoku, Evolution and all the rest. Its bollox and anyone who advocates that should just leave their corp/alliance. Doesn't matter who you fight, if you get to that stage then give it up and leave. Your corp will be better for it.



I think that's just how AAA reacts to anyone.
Samuel Wess
Doomheim
#40 - 2011-12-28 12:58:30 UTC
Hire Heretic Army to swarm their scimitars with 20 AB+mwd enyo/ishkur and watch them panic. (hint: tank thermal/kin)

They can work independent from your fleet with a covop giving them warp ins straight on the scimis.

Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"
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