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Endecroix
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-11-09 22:38:07 UTC
Same again tonight. I also forgot to mention that the one of the sites geography has changed. Maybe it randomly moved and when I do it next it will be back where it was pre-patch! Roll
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#22 - 2015-11-09 22:41:49 UTC
violtr wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:


Random. Also, you are running anoms in one of the most trafficked nullsec space there is. You might be hitting a bad patch, and someone else is getting good drops. The pendulum will swing back to you....eventually.


May i ask how did u determine where i am running my ded sites?

Also, I never stated where i was doing them and deds are not anoms, they are cosmic sigs which means they have to be scanned big difference please dont troll if u dont know what your talking about.

Another note im doing my sites in sov null, not npc null. I just did another 8 which dropped the box and a core b type hardner.

up to 13 prisons, 2 para, and 1 shipyard now.


By the loot you "think" you should be getting. Loot means you are in Serpentis nullsec or lowsec space. Serpentis loot only drops in Gallente space, syndicate space, or serpentis space.
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-11-09 23:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: violtr
Estella Osoka wrote:


By the loot you "think" you should be getting. Loot means you are in Serpentis nullsec or lowsec space. Serpentis loot only drops in Gallente space, syndicate space, or serpentis space.



No, im not doing deds in syndicate space and deds 7-10 only spawn in null sec, not low. As said before i am doing them in sov space which syndicate is npc null, not sov null therefore im not doing my sites there. I am doing them in sov null space and the region i do them actually does not have much traffic at all in certain areas. Deep in this region u can go on for hrs and not see people.
Gadullin Fellencourt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-11-10 02:22:32 UTC
Gadullin Fellencourt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-11-10 02:23:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadullin Fellencourt
Or it could be part of some ccp plot to generate content.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-11-10 08:15:11 UTC
violtr wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:


By the loot you "think" you should be getting. Loot means you are in Serpentis nullsec or lowsec space. Serpentis loot only drops in Gallente space, syndicate space, or serpentis space.



No, im not doing deds in syndicate space and deds 7-10 only spawn in null sec, not low. As said before i am doing them in sov space which syndicate is npc null, not sov null therefore im not doing my sites there. I am doing them in sov null space and the region i do them actually does not have much traffic at all in certain areas. Deep in this region u can go on for hrs and not see people.


well count yourself lucky you can get so many ded's, npc nullsec you would be lucky to get a couple a week

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#27 - 2015-11-10 14:36:30 UTC
violtr wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:


By the loot you "think" you should be getting. Loot means you are in Serpentis nullsec or lowsec space. Serpentis loot only drops in Gallente space, syndicate space, or serpentis space.



No, im not doing deds in syndicate space and deds 7-10 only spawn in null sec, not low. As said before i am doing them in sov space which syndicate is npc null, not sov null therefore im not doing my sites there. I am doing them in sov null space and the region i do them actually does not have much traffic at all in certain areas. Deep in this region u can go on for hrs and not see people.


Then stop complaining. Even if you aren't getting good loot, you are still getting good bounty ticks with less risk. HTFU.
Endecroix
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-11-10 14:37:00 UTC
Site geography back to pre Parallax. We'll see whether that has any bearing on drop rates.
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-11-10 21:31:39 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
violtr wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:


By the loot you "think" you should be getting. Loot means you are in Serpentis nullsec or lowsec space. Serpentis loot only drops in Gallente space, syndicate space, or serpentis space.



No, im not doing deds in syndicate space and deds 7-10 only spawn in null sec, not low. As said before i am doing them in sov space which syndicate is npc null, not sov null therefore im not doing my sites there. I am doing them in sov null space and the region i do them actually does not have much traffic at all in certain areas. Deep in this region u can go on for hrs and not see people.


Then stop complaining. Even if you aren't getting good loot, you are still getting good bounty ticks with less risk. HTFU.


This post wasnt a complaint im trying to figure out if indeed the tables have been changed and if so i may do a different means of making isk/safer more consistent. Please have constructive comments related to the thread. This thread was nothing about the number of sites or what kind of space the sites spawned in or ticks. If i wanted great ticks id get in my carrier and do anoms!

Im just trying to figure out if players across eve are having the same issues which is a good way to find out. People are getting off topic the thread wasnt about the number of sites but if people are experiencing a difference in drops. So, im looking for people who are actively running sites and getting drops not people just posting stuff and not even running sites what so ever, and pointing fingers saying im having bad luck but clearly im not the only one atm.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#30 - 2015-11-10 21:44:22 UTC
I've done no charting or keeping track of the loot drops but I've also noticed such a string of bad luck when I was doing Serpentis 3 and 4/10's. Was so bad I've sorta stopped doing them. Remarkably bad.

Maybe when you do them too often the loot tables adjust just for you? Twisted (Talking off the cuff here.)

@lunettelulu7
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#31 - 2015-11-11 00:25:08 UTC
I've also noticed a significant decrease in DED 4 loot over about the last 20 sites. The majority have only yielded an overseer effect. Also, I would say the maximum loot payouts have gone from big to medium isk.

DED 5 & 6 I don't have a long enough history to know if there's been a change.

I also think I've seen a significant decrease in data and relic sites in high and low over the last six months to the point where I skip them as soon as I resolve the name of the sig. And I had a low threshold before as I was using the loot for industry.


RNG? Hopefully so. Because it would be short-sighted for CCP to hobble the reason people play the game.


I wouldn't mind if CCP made the drop % decrease with the number of sites run that day rather than decreasing the drop rate across the board. That way new and casual players would still see enough reward to play the game.


violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-11-11 00:57:29 UTC
Getting some great info guys and i appreciate it!

Im gonna go out tonight and try to find a few more ded sites. Last night i didnt even bother looking for deds and to be frank they havent been worth doing with the risk i take and what drops. One t3 loss atm would set me back 2 weeks of doing sites if i were to lose one.
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-11-11 09:11:55 UTC
Just finished another 8/10 and its been the worst. The shadow bs dropped ammo and tags only not even a 200k armor mod. The tower dropped just a box nothing else, not even a few meta mods lol.

So, my count is now up to as follows:

2, paramilitary complexes 7/10

14, prison camps 8/10

1, serp. fleet shipyard 10/10
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#34 - 2015-11-11 14:19:10 UTC
violtr wrote:
Just finished another 8/10 and its been the worst. The shadow bs dropped ammo and tags only not even a 200k armor mod. The tower dropped just a box nothing else, not even a few meta mods lol.

So, my count is now up to as follows:

2, paramilitary complexes 7/10

14, prison camps 8/10

1, serp. fleet shipyard 10/10


Your sample size is still very small.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-11-11 14:31:38 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:


Your sample size is still very small.

It doesn't have to be a large amount, hence the reason it's called a sample.

After a while players can pretty much determine if drops have been reduced just by comparing it to the average amount gained in the past.


DMC

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Endecroix
Doomheim
#36 - 2015-11-11 14:35:25 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Maybe when you do them too often the loot tables adjust just for you? Twisted (Talking off the cuff here.)


I've wondered more and more whether this is the case. I tend to play in fits and bursts. When I come back I note that I pretty much always get excellent drop rates for a few days. This then tails off.

To be fair CCP would be daft not to have such a mechanic in the game - it would increase retention of new players coming back into the game without really changing the overall influx of items into the game.
Endecroix
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-11-11 14:36:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Endecroix
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:


Your sample size is still very small.

It doesn't have to be a large amount, hence the reason it's called a sample.

After a while players can pretty much determine if drops have been reduced just by comparing it to the average amount gained in the past.


DMC



As I've mentioned before in this thread I do keep track of everything and the decreased rates are statistically significant compared to recent times but not when compared to just over a year ago.

I find the idea that this is all down to randomness rather "quaint" as if CCP never balance loot tables like they constantly balance everything else. The suggestion though tends to be a rather lazy attempt at trolling the OPs thoughts though in most of these threads and a deflection from an actual discussion about when these changes actually may have come about.
Sheeth Athonille
TerraTroopers
Get Off My Lawn
#38 - 2015-11-11 22:52:36 UTC
A larger sample size is useful because it does help to show that it isn't just RNG playing tricks with you. That said, it's not exactly easy to get a large sample size, so coming to the forums with the sample that you do have is usually the best way to expand on it by getting other peoples numbers and adding them to your own.

I've personally found that in Gurista space at least, 6/10's and 8/10's are dropping like normal. That said, I've found that the "normal" for 8/10's is approximately nothing. They almost never drop anything other than effects for me, no matter what. And judging from other peoples experience that I have talked to in my alliance, they tend to find the same thing.

It's definitely a possibility that the loot tables have been adjusted, I personally just tend to be on the skeptical side since it wasn't announced. Yeah CCP has a tendency to adjust things without telling anyone, but idk, guess we'll have to see if it continues Smile
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-11-12 05:16:22 UTC
Endecroix wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Maybe when you do them too often the loot tables adjust just for you? Twisted (Talking off the cuff here.)


I've wondered more and more whether this is the case. I tend to play in fits and bursts. When I come back I note that I pretty much always get excellent drop rates for a few days. This then tails off.

To be fair CCP would be daft not to have such a mechanic in the game - it would increase retention of new players coming back into the game without really changing the overall influx of items into the game.


I too have thought about this so the last 3-4 sites i had a different pilot looting the cans with no change!
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-11-14 02:11:55 UTC
Well gents, I have not done anymore sites since i posted my last run. Just dont feel like doing them being that the loot is sooo horrid atm, so maybe when i get bored of playing some of these other games ill give it another shot.
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