Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Then logoff. Chances are if they are going to gank you, you wont be bumped for hours on end. So logoff. If it is just one guy being a complete jerk it will end the stand off. If he is getting ready to gank you and it is not taking hours (seriously, how many people have been bumped for hours then ganked?) they'll have a guy in a noob ship to aggress you and keep you from disappearing.

My counterproposal in the thread was to disable bumping, or make it purely cosmetic and not to allow it to affect the alignment of a ship.

Tackle should be intentional. If it's so frelling important that there be a concord free way to tackle, then add a module to do that.

The point is that a lazy solo player, often AFK, should never trump players who have taken the time to be organized and prepared to gank the lazy solo player who is AFK. If you want to lone wolf it...it comes with a cost. Especially if you cannot do things like monitor local, use your watch list and setting standings, etc.

So spare me your faux indignation.

They will be removing the tackle immunity of the other capital ships soon, though it's not an issue for them in any case as they cannot enter highsec. I would still say that if it's important that those ships be tackled this way then a module to do it is in order.



Tackle should be clearly intentional. Tackle is an aggressive action, and it should follow the same rules of any other aggressive action for the area of space you happen to be in. Using bumping as tackle short circuits the intended gameplay of high sec, not only allowing tackle to occur without concord interference but also by actually protecting the aggressor with Concord.

Kaarous, go troll under a bridge somewhere. Adults are talking here. Tackle is aggression. Bumping should not be useable as tackle as it does not trigger the appropriate response when used as tackle. This is most notably a problem in high sec, where there are consequences for unprovoked aggression. Just because it's not a problem for you does not mean it's not a problem.

Bumping is not usable as tackle. It does not disable warp engines as tackle does.



It's not a problem at all.



It's not a problem that freighters die. It's not a problem that they need escorts. It's not a problem that there are consequences for being afk.

It would only be a problem to the kind of entitled, selfish carebear who thinks they should be able to fly a capital ship solo and afk. And something like that isn't a real problem, because it exists only in the minds of people who don't belong in this game anyway.

No. Ganking can happen anywhere, and is not itself a problem.

Using Bumping as tackle is only an issue in high sec, because everywhere else you can just use one of the many other tackle options available.

Kaarous... I know that you have issues with following a conversation and using logic, so I will try and hold your hand through the hard parts, again.

When you use bumping to keep a ship from going into warp, you are doing something that is equivalent to using a scrambler, disruptor, etc... No one is saying that bumping actually applies the warp scramble or warp disruption effect to the ship. What I am saying is that it is intentionally being used to accomplish the same goal, which should make it be considered aggression. However, as Concord is actually a 15 year old AI script and not an actual person, it does not.

I am not even saying that freighters should be safer than they are now. I personally would not complain if they disabled bumping and added a module that either re-enables it, or some sort of tackle mod that does not trigger aggression. Either way, it would be more honest and less confusing for newer players like the OP instead of the way it is now.

Personally I view it as a problem because it is clearly aggression that gets defended by concord in an area where concord is supposed to provide a barrier to entry on unprovoked aggression. If that's supposed to be there is should be made clear that such is the case by requiring it to use an active and visible module, and if not it should be fixed.

Now, please either engage the conversation, or go find a bridge to sleep under like the troll you are. Stop pretending ignorance to derail things. I'm not sure why you feel it necessary to troll on every thread you comment on, but it is pretty tedious.

One reliable way to tell the difference is to keep spamming warp whenever you're near alignment to something you can warp to.

You'd need to show there being some kind of problem first, to justify recoding the base physics engine.

Change has to be justified, and this certainly is not.

Actually, for my part I said I was fine with adding a tackle mod that only flags a suspect, rather than outright summoning Concord. That way the freighter team can engage their aggressor if they choose without getting concorded themselves or taking the standings loss for simple self defense.

I don't think it would be necessary, but if that's what has to be, then so be it. It is stupid that bumping can be used like that indefinitely.

Sounds great, I'll immediately use it to tackle some sap in a mission and watch the rats explode him because he can't warp out and I don't get concorded.

Sold.