Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Your appalling grammar aside, it does no disabling. A freighter's warp engines are still functional if they are bumped.

I think what he means is the alignment of the freighter being thrown off.

Why would it need to be changed to begin with?



You lie. (like you always do. You're incapable of anything else)

What I'm claiming is that, contrary to what you say, it is not warp disruption.

And it's not. Warp disruption is a very specific in game effect.

Try quoting the rest so your trolling is even more obvious.

I said Bumping is being used as tackle. I never claimed it was applying a warp disruption effect on the ship. Nor scramble. Nor any of the other warp cancelling debuffs. It is being used to accomplish the same goals, with the same intent.

Since the end result is the same (ship cannot enter warp) then the actions are equivalent. I am even fine with it being used this way, as it can counter things like warp core stabilization and ships with higher base warp strength, without requiring a heavy interdictor or multiple points. However, since the AI cannot distinguish it from an accident no matter how blatant, then altering it so you need something active the engine can see is reasonable.

@Pedro I still don't see where you are saying the cost of a gank would go up. I can see it requiring more dedication and organization, with the ships being required to be ready to go when the target arrives rather than slowboating over from wherever, but not costing more ships or ammo.

Sure, tackling a ship is aggression in the sense you are doing it as part of an effort to defeat your opponent in a PvP game. I agree.

I'll accept that a player who is bumped for 8 straight hours without being ganked has a legitimate complaint. But this is a PvP game. You are responsible for defending your ship so you should have your defense fleet with you or on standby to come help your freighter. This is an intended weakness for capital ships.

Perhaps CCP can improve that. But they are not going to address that complaint by making freighters safer so they don't have to worry about being tackled in the first place. Any fix will likely involve a support fleet to rescue/protect these big, lumbering, and frankly OP ships.

Maybe making warp scrambling only a suspect level offense in highsec against capitals is an answer (and nerf bumping somehow). Then the freighter's friends or white knights could try to shoot the tackler while the gankers could assist their tackle leading to a chance of escalation. Seems like there are a bunch of problems with that proposal I see right away, but if CCP is ever going to allow the rest of the capitals into highsec, there are going to have to be some major changes in aggression/CONCORD mechanics anyway.

Again, it is a single velocity vector that the server uses to model ship movement, not a combined speed and direction. It is probably unrealistic for them to make such a major change such the core of the game to address, honestly a minor fraction of all the gameplay and PvP that goes on in Eve. I would think any "fix" to address bumping will come from the addition of a counter, that either has a significant fitting cost for freighters or requires an additional ship/player to use. I am betting on the latter as just allowing freighters to give up some cargo space or speed to be immune to bumping will enable more AFK hauling play and make the profession even less financially viable for those who do it for a living.

+1

So find a quieter place to mine? They do exist. The 0.5 system three jumps away from a trade hub is a really good place to get hit, because the gankers don't have to go far after buying their suicide catas. The 0.5 system 10 jumps away is a real pain to haul stuff in and out of, but local is usually not 20 people and the gankers usually don't bother flying that far.

Usually.

Why not just web your freighter? You guys are so quick to yell at pirates but we always put a scout in system, and more often than not bring webs when we move our carriers, dreads, oh and our freighters. This is through low-sec as well as highsec.... Not lost a freighter yet.


As for bumbing an exhumer? Can those things get MWDs? I think they have midslots O_O Though really I wouldn't use an exhumer in highsec for the exact same reason I don't PVE in a bling fit marauder.

Ya know, if you just got a handful of buddies (like 2) in game who could get into tornados for example and blap the bumping ship you could solve the problem yourself instead of having to run to the play ground monitor crying like a wimp.

Even better, 6 buddies in catalysts will burn down a bumping machariel...make it 7 for added measure. You and your buddies are out 65 million ISK, the bumper is out 425+ million ISK.

So let me get this straight....

You want to play solo and not spend the time or effort to organize even the most minimal escort.

And at the same time Mommy and Daddy (i.e. CCP) should come hold your hand and pat your poo poo so that the guys who did spend the time and effort to gank you can't.

Have I summed up your entitled and self-righteous position sufficiently?