Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If your freighter is being bumped for hours, that'll give you time to bring friends to help.

Daret, just accept it, your idea is horrid.

Oh, and btw, people calling for more killing IS helping industry, if less people PvP'ed and didnt destroy goods by killing freighters and the like, then prices on goods would drop as supply would increase leaving you indy guys either poor or 'unemployed', come on, this is basic econ here!

OP's idea is stupendously horrible. You do not need a new mechanic to prevent freighters or miners from getting ganked.

I mined for years in all spaces of this game. Not since the first time I lost a Hulk to gankers almost 8 years ago, before I learned how to avoid being ganked, have I lost an Exhumer.

I've also flown the first, and only, freighter I ever bought all over highsec. Not once have I been bumped or ganked in it.

I know you don't want to hear it, but the truth is simply that, if you fly them right, you are nearly 100% safe flying mining ships and freighters around in highsec. You don't need some new gimick to save you. You need to stop being bad at EvE.

The problem is that I want to sleep and ensure that my ship is safe... What's the best solution? I dont know, I guess logging off... which must mean that theres an "obvious design flaw in the game."

Its called using the tools available to you to get the job done.

In all of those situations you listed the emergency warp would not work because you're in combat. The emergency warp only works in situations where you're currently not in a fight. You have to wait 30 seconds and not have a single aggressive action taken against you, you can't be shot, you can't be scrambled. you can't be webbed etc. if any of that happens the timer is cancelled and you're forced to deal with the attacker normally



Stupendously horrible how. All you did was say it's horrible and then go on to say 'well it never happens to me so obviously it never happens to anyone'. Meanwhile I see kill reports and hear people on multiple channels talking about how they're being bumped and need help or they're about to get blown up.

Miner bumping does happen, albeit less often. more often they just get blown up before they can even react to their attacker. Freighter bumping is rampant. Just hang out in anti-gank channels for a little while and you'll hear calls for help all the time.

THIS THREAD IS GOING NO WHERE.

- First and foremost - A big no to the OPs idea.
Why? Hyper dunking has just pretty much just been banned - one of the main systems that deployed bumping.
Other reasons - if you getting bumped in high-sec and don't know how to counter it, you need to go read up on game mechanics and other little helpful issues. Or find a friend to help you develop anti-bump player skills. (learn to re-approach the gate, stop trying to align to warp.
CCP does (edit) NOT need to add emergency warp, but it would be nice to see a ship's mass take more control in the bump mechanic.

Also - if CCP goes and tweaks "all" capital ships with better warp strength, and ewar resist, a lot of the high sec ganking will end when it comes freighters and such, unless large group and well planned.

That's why I pointed it out. A lot of the ganking community will point out all the helpful third party places you can go to do research and plan routes, but that's just asinine in my book. If it's not in the client, its not part of balance.

In game map is indeed useful for this, however. It is at least a good starting point, as is getting some escorts to at least scout and toss you a web.

I don't like the way bumping works, mostly because it circumvents the balance of high sec. If it's going to be used that way it needs to carry the same kind of risks and costs associated with scrams and disruptors.

You are acting like freighters are not suppose to explode in highsec. Bumping and ganking are intended gameplay you as a hauler are suppose to deal with. This is a feature of Eve Online.

CCP is not going to give you a get-out-of-PvP-free card so you can fly your freighter unescorted and AFK. It would break so much of the conflict everywhere in Eve, not just highsec, just so that someone autopiloting an unsupported freighter who notices that they are being bumped when their Netflix show finishes can save it. Perhaps the interdiction mechanics can be improved for highsec pirates, but no matter what you will be require to spend some effort and resources to protect your super-hauler. Bumping will not be "fixed" by CCP with them giving you an opt-out button for PvP.

Hauler bumping, and miner bumping for that matter are almost completely avoidable. Use a web alt and fly a Procurer or Skiff which have been buffed to the point they are nearly impossible to bump reliably when in motion, at least for me. But if you want to play a game where you can grind and build stuff without worry of being subject to the other players in the universe, you are playing the wrong game.

There is a reason highsec gankers rely on bumping to tackle freighters. It takes longer than 30 seconds to get a fleet to the target, even if they are completely on standby and without criminal timers. This would force gankers to use neutral gankers and massively increase the costs of ganking as well as make hauler pilots much safer.

Why should you get to evade another player when try start a PvP engagement? Doesn't really seem fair. I'm not against a some sort of counter to perma-bumping, but a magic button that allows you to escape solo in 30s is way too slippery. Freighters are capital ships that should require a support fleet to fly and to escape from bumping.

That old chestnut? Gankers are a direct manifestation of the risk vs. reward design of the game. They produce nothing that disrupts the Eve economy but rather only redistribute and destroy wealth and thus are adding no rewards to the economy. Anyone can try to take another players stuff if they are willing to sacrifice their ship. That is right at the heart of the design of the game. Players are always at risk to other players, full stop.

But that aside, gankers already routinely use a suicide noobship every 15 minutes to keep players from logging off and ships from disappearing from space. If your warp idea is subject to the same log-off timer after receiving weapons fire, what does it add over the current log-off? Why add an immersion-breaking exception to the warp mechanics to add functionality that is essentially already there?