Skill Discussions

its not really a non-argument, attribute implants dont need removed because they are a player choice and saying that they should be removed because some people dont get the benefit because they pvp is a non-argument.

whats the difference between an implant that enhances the character training speed to a purple ship mod which gives you a 2.5% extra advantage over a blue mod?

If you aint prepared to lose something you have fitted to your char or your ship then dont fit it, you lose the benefit but thats the choice you make.

The attributes on those are an afterthought, don't tell me that you use Slaves because they have attributes on them.
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose is disproportionate in the case of attribute implants, since a pirate implant set costs more than 2 +5 implants, but you're gettinng punished for using it.

however i will add for pve, people in nullsec and low are also losing out, we fit our ships with t2 mods for pve yet highsec can fly multi-billion isk ships, so can we balance something because im losing out on that extra tank and dps because i choose to pvp in nullsec and want to keep my losses to a minimum because i know ill lose my ship sometime

nothing stops you from fitting +5's and doing pvp so i dont see where you get you that you dont have a choice

cost doesn't mean something should be removed because some people cant afford it and others can.

Bring back clone upgrades then, I'm sure people will rejoice at that.

Also, opportunity cost of losing SP, but at this point I've pretty much given up on you. Especially since you're attempting to strawman the arguement by pointing out... PvE ship fits in null.

Yes, I'm entitled, risk-averse, yadda yadda. Any other buzzwords you got to throw at me?

Leaving aside all the off-topic whining from people that want to reduce the risk of careless play, and getting back to advice.


The correct answer is to use +5s if and only if you can afford to comfortably replace them, and to price the risk of pod loss into your decision to plug in +5s. This risk is low but non-zero in empire, and high in WH/0.0. Perfect play allows you to always escape with your pod from any weapon that requires a target lock in empire space, but anyone that considers their play to be perfect is lying to themselves, and lying to yourself is the first step to getting an expensive lossmail.

If you aren't able to justify plugging in 450-500m of implants once every X months (where X is your best judgement as to how rare a pod loss will be) - do not do it. Plug in +3s instead, they are cheap and disposable.

Personally I have a +5 clone, a +4 Int +4 Mem clone with implants that benefit small armor ships (Taranis/Enyo/Ishkur/Catalyst), and a +4 Will + 4 Perc clone with implants that benefit medium armor ships (Ishtar/Vexor/Vexor Navy).

I'm considering adding a clone with all +4s and a Rattlesnake/Golem focus as well, which may end up being HG Crystals. Haven't pulled that trigger yet.

risking pods is for real men, probably becuase you have more logi than you can shake a stick at

It does come down to risk and reward, you're not entitled to that extra training speed if you go out with a bling pod expect to lose it on the undock. People have suggested some nice alternatives, in particular rolling with 2 +4 implants which are easily affordable and replaceable and having a skill que online clone docked up somewhere.

Use the starmap, look for pod killing in lowsec systems. Avoid those systems or have it scouted, EVE is a sandbox. Don't risk what you can't afford to lose, I lost a +5 pod, deal with it I replaced it 20 mins later because I left knowing it was a possibility. Get in the right mindset and win EVE.