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High Sec - Newb Training Area or the only space worth playing in?
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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#161 - 2015-11-10 09:54:31 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I ran 1 account for the 1st 3 years I played EVE. I only got the 2nd because it was a PITA to have to jump clone away from where my group was pvping to my pve ships to make isk. After I got that alt account, life was so much easier I was kicking myself for not doing it sooner. It's just the way EVE is.


That's part of the problem. You should be able to maintain PvP through PvPing, not having to have a second account so you can earn it in high-sec through doing PvE content.

Yet some people still wonder why high-sec is the most populated. Wouldn't mind betting most in null or low-sec have alt account characters in high-sec. That and the fact the best markets are in high-sec.



It baffles my mind why anyone would bother to play Eve with just one account. You need 3 accounts at the very least to play Eve effectively, unless you've got a frustration addiction.


how 3? i manage fine with 1 account, i do have 3 however but thats not the point, the other 2 dont really get used

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#162 - 2015-11-10 10:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Daniela Doran wrote:
It baffles my mind why anyone would bother to play Eve with just one account. You need 3 accounts at the very least to play Eve effectively, unless you've got a frustration addiction.

No wonder so many people find Eve frustrating:

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#163 - 2015-11-10 11:18:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Lan Wang wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I ran 1 account for the 1st 3 years I played EVE. I only got the 2nd because it was a PITA to have to jump clone away from where my group was pvping to my pve ships to make isk. After I got that alt account, life was so much easier I was kicking myself for not doing it sooner. It's just the way EVE is.


That's part of the problem. You should be able to maintain PvP through PvPing, not having to have a second account so you can earn it in high-sec through doing PvE content.

Yet some people still wonder why high-sec is the most populated. Wouldn't mind betting most in null or low-sec have alt account characters in high-sec. That and the fact the best markets are in high-sec.



It baffles my mind why anyone would bother to play Eve with just one account. You need 3 accounts at the very least to play Eve effectively, unless you've got a frustration addiction.


how 3? i manage fine with 1 account, i do have 3 however but thats not the point, the other 2 dont really get used


Let's see.

You need an alt for link boosting, one for logi support, one for dual boxing with main in case of shield passive tanking to make up for the dismal dps, one for all purpose support like ewar, cynos, covops scanning and hauling, etc....

The only way around that is if you get lucky and find some cool peeps to roll with that you can TRUST and can do what you need the alts for, but I'm a lone wolf and like doing my own thing whenever I feel like it.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#164 - 2015-11-10 11:31:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Daniela Doran wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I ran 1 account for the 1st 3 years I played EVE. I only got the 2nd because it was a PITA to have to jump clone away from where my group was pvping to my pve ships to make isk. After I got that alt account, life was so much easier I was kicking myself for not doing it sooner. It's just the way EVE is.


That's part of the problem. You should be able to maintain PvP through PvPing, not having to have a second account so you can earn it in high-sec through doing PvE content.

Yet some people still wonder why high-sec is the most populated. Wouldn't mind betting most in null or low-sec have alt account characters in high-sec. That and the fact the best markets are in high-sec.



It baffles my mind why anyone would bother to play Eve with just one account. You need 3 accounts at the very least to play Eve effectively, unless you've got a frustration addiction.


how 3? i manage fine with 1 account, i do have 3 however but thats not the point, the other 2 dont really get used


Let's see.

You need an alt for link boosting, one for logi support, one for dual boxing with main in case of shield passive tanking to make up for the dismal dps, one for all purpose support like ewar, cynos, covops scanning and hauling, etc....

The only way around that is if you get lucky and find some cool peeps to roll with that you can TRUST and can do what you need the alts for, but I'm a lone wolf and like doing my own thing whenever I feel like it.


Ah so thats basically if you want to solo in eve you need more accounts, just proves eve is not really a solo game :)

None of them are really needed, links aint needed, logi support aint needed, ewar aint needed, cyno's and haulers yeah thats the only legit alt you really need, hauler aint really needed though.

but why anyone would bother with that amount of effort to play solo baffles me

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#165 - 2015-11-10 15:09:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
It baffles my mind why anyone would bother to play Eve with just one account. You need 3 accounts at the very least to play Eve effectively, unless you've got a frustration addiction.[/quote]

how 3? i manage fine with 1 account, i do have 3 however but thats not the point, the other 2 dont really get used[/quote]

Let's see.

You need an alt for link boosting, one for logi support, one for dual boxing with main in case of shield passive tanking to make up for the dismal dps, one for all purpose support like ewar, cynos, covops scanning and hauling, etc....

The only way around that is if you get lucky and find some cool peeps to roll with that you can TRUST and can do what you need the alts for, but I'm a lone wolf and like doing my own thing whenever I feel like it.[/quote]

Ah so thats basically if you want to solo in eve you need more accounts, just proves eve is not really a solo game :)

None of them are really needed, links aint needed, logi support aint needed, ewar aint needed, cyno's and haulers yeah thats the only legit alt you really need, hauler aint really needed though.

but why anyone would bother with that amount of effort to play solo baffles me[/quote]


Unfortunately it took me 2 and a half years to realize that Eve isn't a solo game so I might as well roll with it until I can't anymore.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#166 - 2015-11-10 21:37:12 UTC
Hi!

I am a one account / one character gal. That's a whole other topic though isn't it? You could ask 10 Eve players how to play and you'd get 10 different overview settings, skill plans, how many accounts are required, blah blah blah. For myself, I feel like I lost some of the immersive gameplay having an alt so I got rid of her right away.

I think lowsec is the best place to live in. I think wormholes spawn most often in lowsec? So everyday you could have a unique opportunity for PVE, PVP, a good day to get stuff from a trade hub, etc. Arguably there are markets in the big central FW systems or on the edge of nullsec.

And honestly, highsec is where like 70% of the playerbase lives for a reason. They don't have to answer to some mandatory fun. They can get up to 5/10's or incursions in highsec and the income is nothing to sneeze at. The balance of what you can go out and do is the best too if you felt like going on public roams or some dueling on the undock or something.

Nullsec got hit with a nerf to it's wormhole connections and it really sucks to get stuff out there when your alliance lacks a JF service.

Why all the effort of living in null? Only real good reason for myself to go there is when those hub camping corps wardec us.

Bear

@lunettelulu7
Hydra Emulator
Doomheim
#167 - 2015-11-11 01:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Hydra Emulator
Justin Cody wrote:

What would make you move to null sec?


Any businessperson will tell you that minimizing risk is a huge part of investment. The question shouldn't be what would make me leave a high reward/ low risk environment for an environment that does not offer that. You're basically asking me what would suddenly make me stupid, or you are asking CCP to destroy an environment conducive to business, business that we all depend on for the capital that makes the game playable. Business relies on safety and trust. We don't have much trust in EVE, making a "safe" business environment even more foundational.

The question is, "how high do rewards in null sec have to be to be proportionate to the risk?" I can't answer that question, but what I can say is that seeing as most kills occur in high sec, and most of the money winds up in high sec, I would say that anything you've enumerated so far obviously doesn't fit the bill. In the former case, High Sec is not as "safe" as people think it is, but the delusion of safety goes a long way in making an environment conducive to business. In the latter case the money winds up there because that is the best place to put it and put it to use making more money, again, because of the delusion of safety. Apparently, what is going on right now isn't enough.

As someone that has lived, died, and lived again (witness me) in all three areas of security status, I can tell you that what keeps me from going back right now is that I'm bored with it. Bored with Null and the endless war grind, bored with low and the thrill of killing (yes its true) as well as trashing my sec status, but I'm not bored with baiting gankers into padding my kill board, not yet at least.

Don't ask me what it will take, what it will take is more then you can afford. Instead, tell me what you're offering. If it's interesting I might do it for the fun, and take your money anyway. If you have nothing to offer me then stop begging me to give you entertainment pro bono.
Fat Buddah
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2015-11-11 06:05:14 UTC
I am like Al Bundy. There's is no benefits for him to come home, yet he does everyday.
During the course of my EVE career, I have somehow become attached to and made one particular low-sec system my home.
Yeah, I go null space to do some alliance stuff like fleet pew pew, ABC mining or ratting, but I have to come HOME at the end of the day.
So for that reason I hate going to null spaces. It's just too damn far from my home.
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#169 - 2015-11-13 00:12:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadolf Agalder
Hydra Emulator wrote:
Justin Cody wrote:

What would make you move to null sec?

Business relies on safety and trust. We don't have much trust in EVE, making a "safe" business environment even more foundational.
...
The question is, "how high do rewards in null sec have to be to be proportionate to the risk?" I can't answer that question, but what I can say is that seeing as most kills occur in high sec, and most of the money winds up in high sec, I would say that anything you've enumerated so far obviously doesn't fit the bill. In the former case, High Sec is not as "safe" as people think it is, but the delusion of safety goes a long way in making an environment conducive to business. In the latter case the money winds up there because that is the best place to put it and put it to use making more money, again, because of the delusion of safety...

I learned that confidence is earned and trust is sacred but my business do not rely on confidence and trust.

High sec has CONCORD which enforce security for new players and Empire factions alike.



In comparing how high rewards in null-sec have to be , to be proportionate to the risk, make sure to include omission in your equation
because omission exist
and the value of the ships required to reach null-sec can cost more than offered rewards.

Why would someone offer or mention 100m ISK per hour mining Ice when in fact it yields a negative value is worst than fraud.
Enforcing it with force is extortion.
Deceiving potential enemies who could use accurate info to protect themselves is war.
Enticing others to attacks target to take spoils from them is war.