EVE General Discussion

Burners are very popular between those PvE who dear to fly PvP fitted pirat faction ships. Rest of us is very tempted to join. Really. The LP boost is very lucrative and missions are much more fun. I am serios.

FW rewamp is going to introduce next step - NPC patrols, that will enter your PLEX and will follow you through gates. It was told in CSM 10. Page 6 or 7...

I also heard rumors, that if that FW patrols will be successfull, rest of New Eden will get drifters patrols.

According to this, high / low sec is the place where most stuff got blown up. Null is the least ... And Syndicate is one of the most dangerous null systems, despite the fact, that it is NPC null. Curse and Greate Wildlands are above average as well. So much about

argument.

Hmm, I already pay by annual sub, I run level 4 missions in hi-sec to fund my inept lo-sec pvp, and you want folk to buy PLEX to fund pvp.

Think again, my dear friend.

MMO's are about people... teamwork.. large scale competition.... but so many MMO's these days are filling their games with PvE, thousands of people running/flying past each other and they never make contact... weather that be combat/teamwork or just talk.. everyone is running around doing there PvE, large portions of MMO content these days may as well be single player TBH... its a waste of electricity running the damn servers...

Its all about the people... end of story... ISK is not the be all and end all IMHO.... PvE is fine as long as people power is required, if you can PvE SOLO its broken....

make it so even the 1/10 sites need to be run in groups... you have to get people working together and learning from early on that teamwork gets stuff done, that everyone has a part to play... teach players from the first week that every type of ship and module has its place and is equally important...

Corps/fleets are EVE!. without this players will leave anyway... I don't care how much cool stuff there is explore or how much ISK you give em, they will leave... that's a given... hisec/lowsec/nulsec it don't matter....

why do new players get scared of null/WH space? its to risky? why?.... I can get suicide ganked in hisec and still loose my ship and cargo, it makes no real difference that concord will attempt to kill my killers, ive still lost my ship and got my ass handed to me, so where is this RISK???

The risk is that your more likely to come face to face with a organized group in low/null/WH..... you know your probably being hunted, every ship that pops up on D-scan/grid strikes the fear of god into you... in high sec your used to seeing millions of ships darting about doing there own thing for the most part, you only really need to be on your guard if your carrying some hefty loot or going into the main hubs (jita/amarr ect)

Basically low/null/WH space is corp land... organized groups... where bubbles can ruin your solo PvE day and fleets can be lying in wait at any system ready to tackle and finish you off... that's the risk... so most people with stay in hisec to be relatively safe while they go about there solo PvE and earning there ISK only to get board sooner or latter down the road...

There is a very noticeable line.. a fracture if you will of corp's and solo play, you have the corp players who really play eve... and you have the solo PvE players who never really experience EVE..., Solo play needs to be discouraged in everyway... don't dilute the game to cater for people who wont stay anyway and will probably leave with a bad taste in there mouth about eve and add nothing to the game while they are here anyway.... its just a means to an end with no benefit what so ever...

Just kill Solo PvE, players need to funnelled into groups from the start, from there they will either form or join corp's as a matter or corse... then the "risk" of lowsec/null/WH will turn into "challenge" forcing groups/corps to become stronger and the spoils of null/lowsec/WHs is used to fund your corps growth, something that cannot be done in hisec....

I used to play a MMO called "world war 2 onlin"e.... it wasn't the most advance grafix wise but its scale was incredible.. not unlike eve in that regard, we had many squads from air land and sea with huge numbers, battles consisted of thousands, all large player run squads.. until the devs killed off the large squads because they thought it was limiting there player base, I.E not everyone wants to be part of a squad or unit.... well its a hardcore neiche game... your never going to please the masses from COD and world of tanks/planes/boats and god knows what else.... once the large squads broken up the game died a death.. im not saying that's whats happening here nore is it the topic but im trying to point out the power people and teamwork... and games like this live of it....

most people come to eve because they see vids of these awesome battles, but end up floating around doing the ever increasing PvE..... kill it!!... force people to wark together and show people from the first weeks here the true magic of eve, the very thing that makes EVE special (the corps and people) is the thing that's keeping everyone in hisec..

Running into organized groups of players IS the risk of lowsec/null/WH space which in turn keeps players "carebare'ing" in hisec...

I just wasted 60 seconds of my life reading this crap. Can I have it back please?

I got a chuckle out of this, it's like some in high sec know how crazy it is and don't want others sharing that because CCP might come in and actually balance something. Priceless.

I'm going to ignore the ongoing argument in the thread and address you directly and try not to tell you what you "should" be doing, but instead try to reassure you that these things aren't as difficult as you perceive.

As a player with five months under your belt, you could easily be useful in a sov null fleet immediately. You'd simply fly under the direction of the FC and viola, you're PvP'ing in EVE. I understand that you're risk-averse (I was, too, in the first month or so that I started) but these big organizations understand that ship loss is part of the game and will reimburse that.

If you're running missions now for isk, then know that in systems upgraded by sov, there are literally dozens of cosmic anomalies where the bounties on the rats add up to millions per rat. There are intel channels to let you know when hostile players are heading your way, fleets for ratting and mining to support each other in system, and other things I don't have space to touch on here.

So someday, if you think in the back of your mind that you're ready for that step, sov null may be your best bet. Again, not goading, just trying to be reassuring.

I think it's wrong to lump all the players into ''risk averse and not risk averse''.
Honestly, I think of HS like the place with the most diverse kind of players, be it industrials or some people playing but not for explosions.

It might be because the game, as it is, encourages if not it forces you to group up with people to achieve things, especially for WH and NS, being alone is suicide, while being in a group is rewarding in every sense. Honorable mention for LS as the beaten stepchild because you can still achieve some things solo here compared to NS.

Personally, I stay in HS and LS because I cannot commit to a alliance lifestyle in NS, my time does not allow me to, like someone else said, HS is like ''home'' everything else is the playground but when you are done, you come back home.

I disagree with the statement about being alone in null and WH being suicide; all you need is decent situational awareness, basic d-scan knowledge and how not to warp directly to gates and WH entrances -- and a good cloaky ship helps but that isn't mandatory in null.

Edit: this knowledge would keep newbros from getting ganked by wardeccers in highsec as well, but they're not taught any of it unless they leave high sec. Catch-22 for them.

this is what annoys me about highsec people who have never tried null, you all seem to think the only option is to join the huge blue donut, its not, there is plenty of people who operate small gang stuff in nullsec and do just fine.