EVE General Discussion

Judging by various activity maps the vast majority of players in EVE live in high sec. This is everyone from casual players to serious pvpers.

Industry is widely available
Research Facilities are Widely Available
The Cost is relatively low
The Risk is low
Between missions, complexes and incursions - getting loads of ISK has never been easier.

1) players should (within reason) be allowed to inhabit EVE where they please and play the game in a manner to their individual liking.
2) CCP wants more people in low and null-sec space - which is virtually empty in most systems most of the time
3) Faction Warfare has pushed some into low sec and I would consider that a successful feature at this point
4) Null Sec still empty most of the time and statistically all of the time.

What would make you move to null sec?

Do incursions and level 3/4 missions offer too much isk with too little risk?

How do you feel about the current tax structure in EVE? - Should it be increased in high sec?

Should CCP do another Gate Redirect as they did at the end of 04/early 05? Create a more fragmented travel framework? Or leave it as is?

What would make you leave high sec in general (without feeling the urge to quit EVE)?

I have ideas but I am honestly curious to hear from the perpetual high sec player.

generally more diverse and exciting game play that attracts more players

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Yes I haven't actually proposed anything. Sticks are only one part. It would have to be balanced by increased low sec and null sec income as well as potentially increased risk in null sec...like more NPCs that point and web and fewer anoms with a higher value.

maybe bad at math but fairly good at knowing they don't want to lose stuff. High sec is a great place to keep stuff and generally not die to anything except suicide ganks and station camping war decs.

I want to see some group play in null, or at least something that encourages some sort of population density. Anoms seem to be solo content, ratting seems even more solo-centric than anoms. DED plexes seem to all be soloable at this point. Overall there are so many null systems there just doesn't seem to be much incentive out there for people to be in null systems. I think that if we can improve null density that is a win-win for everyone. pvpers can go around and hunt, they might actually even get a fight as the people looking to pve are already in a group, and aren't in solo centric ratting boats that don't stand a chance in pvp. Also if you get pvpers disrupting your group pve, the group might decide to go shoot the roaming intruders. My biggest problem here is how do we reward players for this, pure isk would just be an insane isk faucet. LP, but for who? maybe a new store but then what would be in it? Anyways it should end up being higher paying than solo or group activities in highsec.

I did some WH content in a group with signal cartel. It paid out pretty well, and for the most part used pretty cheap ships/setups. For a new player it paid out better than most solo activities. With my skills I can make more solo. However there were also a bunch of things that could have been more optimized about it. Mostly not wasting so much time between sites, players knowing the sites, improving fits, and improving player sp. However half the point is it is new player friendly so some of those things shouldn't be major concerns and some things can be more flexible. Main problems are it requires taking time to form up, the sites are limited, and you usually can't run for more than a few hours at a time. That said those problems aren't all constraints placed by the game.

I'm at the point where if I can make 100m/hour and help a (or a few) new player that is usually better than making 200m/hour. at the same time it shouldn't feel like welfare to the new player.

PS: I have no desire to join up with mega blob inc. so that is a pretty large discouraging factor from most of nullsec.

Yeah, that's the same logic used by people who keep their money in a pillowcase instead of properly invested.

Or, y'know... people who are bad at math.

1) yes CCP needs to create more group content in null sec (and w-space for that matter)
2) You have to organize around something more than PVE - otherwise why do anything but HS incursions?
3) New player friendly should also mean low rewards and HS rewards are not low

Option 1 - Stick: HS incursions = LP only payout - no isk
- Carrot: LS Incursion frequency increase and 100% drop rate for sansha super carrier bpc and shadow bomber bpcs

Option 2 - Stick/Carrot Hybrid = HS Incursions change sec status of the constellation to 0.4 making it a LS incursion for the duation until players fight back - lack of action makes incursion spread like space cancer to neighboring constellations and even across empires and player sov borders.

Just a couple ideas

0.0 is broken at the moment , CCP is working on making it more interesting again. In the meantime Empire space is more populated which makes a different play styles around empire warfare/piracy feasible.

So don't be sad, adapt and enjoy until things change again.

You must be new so let me say : Welcome to eve, where things get fixed that aren't broken and everything you enjoy will be changed in the future .

I probably need to be clearer. Moving high isk activity from high sec does not work. This has already been done to lvl 5 missions. Incursion do need to be looked at, but that is a different topic.

I think to get people into low sec, first they need to form effective groups. Without the ability to survive and have a support structure in low sec, they won't move. And we have seen this before.

Just look at the advice older players give on moving to low sec. It generally comes down to do something with a high reward versus the cost like scanning, get to know the locals so you can either avoid then or have a working relationship so you can manage the risk or do FW where there will be some other pilots who probably won't shot you but shoot the ones who will.

Oh yeah, or join a Corp that has adapted to the environment.

Seriously, it's network first with dangerous space.