Player Features and Ideas Discussion

See, I agree with this when it comes to everything except Blops. Capitals are supposed to be about power not mobility. Other ships bring other specialties to the field. Blops are supposed to be about jump mobility. It literally makes or breaks their job.

Nullsec is hilariously safe. Between intel channels and various other tools, people generally have 10 or more jumps worth of notice to dock up, or live under a cyno blanket wherein they can abuse the power of local capital dominance to live in a zero risk environment. You go AFK in either place, you may die, otherwise its absurdly safe. In an age when PLEX are madly high (i'm not complaining here, this is great) and huge sums of risk-free ISK are being generated in null, Blops need to be able to do their task, and their specialty; projecting ganks deep into enemy territory. When the Phoebe jump changes went through, blops literally had their specialty taken from them and given a token fatigue band-aid. Penetrating exceptionally deep null with a fleet or even a small gang and catching people by surprise is doable, but the blops are supposed to be the specialists here. Defending space is supposed to be part of AegisSov, but...when space is that deep, and that far, and intel and local so strong, there needs to be a credible blops threat.

No disagreement with every other ship class.

But it's totally fine to trash entire ship classes just because some people cried about being hotdropped?

Selfish hypocrite.

And didn't everyone who took part in those battles say that it was cool to be a part of them, but in terms of actual gameplay they were one the most boring and unfun experiences they have had.

Solo, small, and mid gang PvP is where a big chunk of the actual fun gameplay in eve comes from, and unfettered black ops and capitals kill off that type of gameplay. The days of black ops gangs dropping 20 proteus onto a solo battlecruiser are thankfully long gone and will hopefully never return thanks to jump fatigue.

Or in your words, "selfish hyocracy" or something like that.

I agree with the first part there, but you seem to believe small gang stuff and black ops are mutually exclusive propositions. This is a false dichotomy. Black ops are one of the few ways to inflict small gang on significantly larger forces.



To each their own. You seem pretty content as long as your personal playstyle wasn't affected and are happy to bathe in a rich lather of schadenfreude here. By chaining black ops, you have basically given large null empires security well beyond what should be par for the course in null, while at the same time completely disenfranchising content creators of a tool. Yes, there are other things to do, no one is debating that, but the point of black ops was to make a small group capable of quick strikes deep in enemy territory; their ability to do this has been severely compromised by the fatigue changes. If this is what I want to do, then it should not be punished by game mechanics, it should be encouraged for the health of the game on both ends of the equation.

Basically, the game tells antagonists, you can't blops big null empires, you cant create content out in null. Rather, go pick up a catalyst and go gank some freighters. And this is what you see - all the antagonist content being made in HiSec.

They were given a slight buff to range (shorter than previous carrier range still) and fatigue as a last minute and insufficient band-aid. I never said completely get rid of fatigue for them; I am rather calmly, and I believe constructively, demonstrating they need a little help in the fatigue department - you can't even mid once or have a realistic chance of hitting say Branch in one evening session if you start in say, Lonetrek.

Wormholes connecting to null got nerfed considerably a few patches ago due to projection concerns - another legitimate play style railroaded by a quick and indiscriminate fix to a mechanic abused by a few. While there are some crafty things you can do to use WHs still, you can't really guarantee access to a specific region.

Wasn't the point of jump fatigue to stop you traversing the map in one evening?

Wasn't the point of the wormhole nerfs to remove the guarantee of being able to traverse the map in one evening? WH play style is about exploring and looking for those links, then dragging your fleet through unknown space (and facing the risks of being intercepted in space you don't control) to then reap the reward of raiding enemy territory where nobody saw you coming.

It's risk vs reward.

CCP isn't about serving up the type of play style you want. They're about setting up a game just so and seeing what antics the players can devise within the ruleset. They've found some types of play counter-productive in times of "maximising fun for entire player base" and reined those play styles in.

As far as jump fatigue goes, I'd suggest that four and a bit days is plenty enough to prevent mass migrations across the map, while still allowing long distances to be covered for the sake of a weekend's entertainment. Perhaps a new station service could be introduced which reduces jump fatigue faster while you are docked: for example, a casino, games room, or strip club. Thus while you are playing on one of your other characters or accounts, your fatigued pilot can be recovering in capsuleer heaven.

The nerf to null-null wormholes was much worse than the jump fatigue changes. That totally killed a lot of the opportunity to get deep behind enemy lines and have small gang fights on a nightly basis.

Salted earth tactics of CCP balancing.

Limit the number of ships that could pass through by number instead of just mass.

Make them one way so that after X number of ships or X mass passed, they would close. One way is better than not at all.

Or any number of creative solutions that do not ruin a small gang a playstyle to reign in abuse by the blobs.

In trying to solve power projection of bigger groups they have completely ruined blops, WH fun roams, and moving around your stuff, which has consequently given the said bigger groups a risk free existence where no one can actually put pressure on them with AegisSov Mechanics, because distance now means everything instead of nothing.

obviously you should stop playing the game