Player Features and Ideas Discussion

cruisers are fun too!

Do us all a favor, trash the super, then send your stuff.

Remember caps and BLOPS are fundamentally different.

My personal image of a cap fight is you jump in and you're there for a while, objective contest/repping/whatever. It's not a trivial or "light" engagement.

BLOPS though, they're literally all about the hit and run. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a very different playstyle and I will be genuinely stunned if these suddenly start "blotting out the sun" because they're pricey, supportless and highly vulnerable to a counter drop. They're all about nipping in, blapping a few things and nipping out. Now though, it's nipping in, sitting cloaked for a half hour, then nipping out. You don't bring blops to protracted, heavy engagements where the timer would run down naturally - you get and you get out - every second on field increases the risk of you dying.

Consider: If you drop 50 blops (remember no logi) to third party, you're going to have a real bad time real quick. If you dropped 50 boot archons to do the same...well everyone else is going to have a bad time. Likewise if the alliance is deploying, you're not going to use BLOPS as a suitcase to travel quickly. They have a completely different use case and use pattern to capitals, which they were caught up alongside. They just happen to share a jump drive.


I certainly don't buy into the whole "waaaa I can't play AT ALL! MY LIFE IS RUINED" claptrap, the overall mechanic was completely needed but if we have knobs and dials to turn, maybe we should look at these for things like BLOPS.

Then give them a little better fatigue reduction but they should never reach a point where they go drop > kill > recharge cap > drop > kill > recharge cap > ...

Using a jump drive/bridge is supposed to carry a cost anyway.

Thank you Vic Jefferson for providing a perfect example for why Fatigue is a good thing with your 3 regions Blops Bonanza plan.

Also, you do not move carriers around anymore. Get with the time. If you move to different corner of the universe, you move your carrier/dread to a close-by Low sec or NPC Null sec, leave them there and buy new carriers/dreads closer to/in your new home. This way, over time you even nullify any effects Fatigue has on you because you have capitals all over the place.

And calling CFC, former N3, PL, former BL and the 2 big Russian groups "a few bad apples", is grossly "simplifying the matter and ignoring legitimate issues" with the matter. I trust you see what I mean.

Sure, I'm amenable to just about anything: At the hazard of sounding like a broken record, this kind of thing is a perfect candidate to turn the dials and tune the values.

My only request/stipulation would be that whatever is done is transparent and simple to follow - so things like fatigue reduction, or range increase. Simple, easy to follow and easy to amend.

We're close to a happy spot for most things, so let's iterate a little to round off the rough edges.

I don't think you get it much at all. There's hotdropping a dozen or so supercaps onto a t1 cruiser gang, because you can and there's nothing else to do. This is pretty derp mode and doesn't really do much except give a few people laughs. Now it used to have the potential to be punished and turn the laugher into the laugh-ee, but fatigue really removed the ability for hot dropping groups to self police out of region dominance.

Then there is AegisSov. A large part of AegisSov is fought by the ratters, miners, and industrialists of null, instead of just one or two massive fleet battles to decide the fate of a region. This is precisely why there needs to be either a rebalancing of blops-fatigue or more NPC stations littered throught deep null, as the opportunity cost for doing those activities in regions which are so isolated as to be effectively immune from a protracted blops or other harassment campaign are slim to nothing. Aegis sov is fought every day by every ratter and miner, and unless they are actually in some sort of realistic danger, and the tools for creating that danger are actually useful, then they are getting risk-free wealth and AegisSov has failed philosophically. You are supposed to own your space by careful cultivation and security enforcement....except there really aren't tools to challenge either in the current game.

Again, Id be happy with more NPC stations or clusters; Fountain works, Pure Blind works, as well as a few others. Some regions are just so distant that a credible harassment threat does not exist, especially with the null wormholes also being nerfed not too long ago.

This is about opportunity cost for both sov residents, and antagonists. There is a reason why so many people who like antagonist game play head to High Sec; trying to create antagonist content out in null is difficult, time consuming, and after jump fatigue wrecked blops, even more so.

Currently we do about 2 per hour, if we walk back. I am okay with this number.

Again, I am more concerned with how some regions are effectively immune or at least extremely resistant to a persistent harassment campaign, when having that as a threat is an integral part of AegisSov. One would expect Aegis sov to bring a new wave of defender vs antagonist content, but...people aren't dumb. High Sec is less effort, bigger kills, and even I dare say, better toolbox to get stuff done.

It's probably the range they are more concerned with. Rorqual has decent combat ability (comparing downward) and is allowed Indy fatigue reductions. I believe that is also the reason it didn't get the same range as a JF (grrrr greyscale).

I think you do not get anything at all because your vision is clouded with ignorance. Without Phoebe, you could not drop anything with your supers at all because everyone would pile on your supers the moment you log them in or take a bait. And you do not want to see how detrimental no fatigue for all ships would be because you are so much focused on something so narrow such as BLOPs that you lose sight for the bigger picture.

As said before, I have no problem with more NPC space to crack open more secluded areas of space to intruders and make stirring up dust easier. More NPC space does not allow people to move around at a whim just because someone in CFC or PL pinged for a trapped super or titan in Outer Passage or Paragon Soul. Local people can take care of that instead of someone from several dozens of gate jumps away. However, that places are too secure (Although, I cannot confirm that notion from my experience in Querious) is no reason whatsoever to blanket remove or further reduce fatigue. It is just a sign that people are increasingly not interested in combat any more, both hunters and prey. People these days are not interested in fights, they are only interested in ganks. Fights bear risk of losing and that is unacceptable.
If you want to BLOPS around, you do not need to look for targets in Branch, Esoteria and Fountain in one night and use the same BLOPS to get to all three places in one night. You concentrate on one area and leave other areas to other people. Maybe you even teach other people how to properly BLOPS so that they can terrorize an area that you cannot be present in at. There is no need for anyone to be able to neither come to a party on the other side of the universe in big ships nor to be able to look for things to do in many places at once and not decide on an area nor that one person or a small group of people should be able to do a lot of things themselves such as the previous two points. Or you situate yourself in Thera. That system is meant to be a gateway to all sorts of regions and areas in space and you do not need to waste fatigue on getting anywhere.

A lot of philosophies have failed before the all-mighty God of Min-Maxing, who is the real culprit for all the problems in EVE. The problem is not necessarily Fatigue or Aegis Sov as you want to make people believe, the problem is that people do not want to take risks anymore and if they do get roflstomped for daring to go against the stream. Just look at the CFC. I guess you know why they do not break apart. It's too convenient inside this envelope of stability and safety. They do not stick together because they are friends, they stick together because individually they would fail horribly. The downside of this that the entire sector up there is near dead and people need to go to Curse or Delve or flee to High sec to gank stuff in order to have "fun".
I also find it regrettable that Null-Null-WHs or Null-WS-Null-WHs needed to be reduced, but as mentioned before, big groups used them excessively to move around space freely, invalidating the range and fatigue restrictions. I guess collateral damage is the only thing able to make people reconsider their own daftness.