Player Features and Ideas Discussion

TIL if you don't use a jump drive you aren't really playing.

You want quick access to fights? Grow a pair and quit hiding 50 LY from your closest enemy.

All I ever read in threads like this is "BOO HOO, My empire is so large I cant traverse it in a week"

Excuse me if I dont have a lot of sympathy for that attitude. You cant have both safety and easy access to combat, and that is how it should be.

But that would mean long commutes, slow boating through null/low. How will they generate content under these conditions?

No, the problem is that numbers beat everything, and fast moving large numbers across long distances do so even more. You have seen what CFC did to Providence a while back and that even without the need for massive capital numbers. And you know full well how easy it was for big entities before the fatigue changes to hold large swaths of Sov without any contest. If you can again start to just move your caps around at will and throw thousand of sub caps at much smaller entities, the entire point of "allowing" small entities access to sov is gone again. And if I remember correctly, while the big battles were "amazing", no one liked Tidi and there were regular outrages over #soulcrushinglag and #soulcrushingtidi after every single huge battle and even after many medium sized battles where tidi still hit 10% due to bad nodes.
Back then, tons of people were complaining that no one could contest sov. With Aegis, this would have changed and people could actually take useless sov from big entities (or not if you have 40k people against you), but you still could not use it as the same big entities could just pile onto your useless system easily and repeatedly ... exactly what Murkar wants to do, just in much bigger volume. I still remember PL dropping 90 BLOPS onto one of our Cyno jammers to RF it, just to get their supers into Querious easier. I do not quite see how this makes the game better if people again can just pile on you from another corner of the universe just like that, but that might just be me. I also hear a lot of moaning about fatigue from our people, but they are of the same caliber who cannot learn to control their behaviors properly.

Caps do not lose their built-in reps.

"No-one was reluctant to deploy caps because of a BLOPS blob before"

Exactly this. If someone wants to use a massive fleet of blops to invade someones sov then the sov owners can easily use their home capitals to crush that fleet along with support ships. I think this mechanic should only be applied to capitals because that was the problem in the first place. I dont think that if the jump mechanic for blops was removed of even lowered would create a meta where you would only see massive blobs fleet moving around constantly.

I'm not sure you would because of the lack of reps that can come with, they are highly vulnerable to a counter drop. Sure sure, we all know about the RR sin but that's a really easy chain to break. They are hilariously bombable too. I very much doubt they'd become a real problem.

And you know what, if they did - we can always apply it again. That was the point of this right? To have dials to turn? Let's twiddle some knobs and see if it works out.

The problem, really, as others have alluded to, is the midpoint scenario. "Gates" is well and good but their placement is not intuitive vs the spherical range bubble as well as it also doubling the covert cyno requirements.

I think the fatigue and delays are actually fine, what is hurting BLOPS more than anything is the range and special snowflake rules to screw with mids is a pain in the ass and not intuitive. So perhaps, intially, kick the range up by 2 LY and see what happens.

Why do you need to travel back and forth?



Here's the vulnerability. Grrr Goons will be my example. They have performed well in the game and over time have amassed deeeeeeep pockets. You free up BLOPS from jump fatigue, then there will be 100+ fleets of redeemers blotting out the sun for the lols. 50% keeps them from being useless AND keeps them from being abused. Some groups can afford 1 billion isk taxis and stashing sizeable fleets in multiple areas of eve.

Stash capital fleet in npc station. Project BLOPS across the map. Dock. Board capital fleet.... power projection is back.

My opinion is CCP caved and in a bad way. The week long max encourages people to play every saturday and then park the stuff for a week. It's one more cave that promotes ping play, which is one of the bigger issues with eve at the moment.

No he is saying to not use the BLOPS to much... there are literally hundreds of other ships to fly...

OP should consider himself lucky there is less penalty with black ops than with caps. For that matter everyone is lucky that any ships at all suffer less jump fatigue than caps (ie blopse, industrials...). CCP wanted to curb power project and it couldn't realistically do so if the userbase was just going to circumvent this by stashing caps and moving around in indies. Which they certainly would have nerfed if they noticed anyone abusing it (they did warn us of this also).