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Faction Warfare and Citadels: Bonuses

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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-12-28 14:45:47 UTC
Cearain wrote:
I appreciate your bringing this up in this community.

But I don't think we need more consequences for the currently broken sov warfare game where alts in stabbed and empty frigates hold systems. CCP needs to focus on fixing rabbit plexing instead of just giving it more rewards. Please keep them focused.

And Crosi I plexed all sorts of home systems when I used to pvp. No one bothers to fight. Because they can just wait until I leave and then put an alt in an empty frigate and dplex the system. Why risk a ship?


Why are you always complaining about other people and their alts when you don't bother to PvP? You quit... get over it.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#42 - 2015-12-28 16:11:45 UTC
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
Cearain wrote:
I appreciate your bringing this up in this community.

But I don't think we need more consequences for the currently broken sov warfare game where alts in stabbed and empty frigates hold systems. CCP needs to focus on fixing rabbit plexing instead of just giving it more rewards. Please keep them focused.

And Crosi I plexed all sorts of home systems when I used to pvp. No one bothers to fight. Because they can just wait until I leave and then put an alt in an empty frigate and dplex the system. Why risk a ship?


Why are you always complaining about other people and their alts when you don't bother to PvP? You quit... get over it.



So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested? Only those who love the current game enough to continue to spend their time in it have a valid opinion? I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex.

You are the one who should get over it.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Solecist Project
#43 - 2015-12-28 16:28:41 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
Cearain wrote:
I appreciate your bringing this up in this community.

But I don't think we need more consequences for the currently broken sov warfare game where alts in stabbed and empty frigates hold systems. CCP needs to focus on fixing rabbit plexing instead of just giving it more rewards. Please keep them focused.

And Crosi I plexed all sorts of home systems when I used to pvp. No one bothers to fight. Because they can just wait until I leave and then put an alt in an empty frigate and dplex the system. Why risk a ship?


Why are you always complaining about other people and their alts when you don't bother to PvP? You quit... get over it.



So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested? Only those who love the current game enough to continue to spend their time in it have a valid opinion? I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex.

You are the one who should get over it.

"So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested?"
- Exposed yourself as angry, because it lacks sense.

" I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex."
- Means you see yourself as important and that you have self esteem issues.


She struck a nerve.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-12-28 16:35:55 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
Cearain wrote:
I appreciate your bringing this up in this community.

But I don't think we need more consequences for the currently broken sov warfare game where alts in stabbed and empty frigates hold systems. CCP needs to focus on fixing rabbit plexing instead of just giving it more rewards. Please keep them focused.

And Crosi I plexed all sorts of home systems when I used to pvp. No one bothers to fight. Because they can just wait until I leave and then put an alt in an empty frigate and dplex the system. Why risk a ship?


Why are you always complaining about other people and their alts when you don't bother to PvP? You quit... get over it.



So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested? Only those who love the current game enough to continue to spend their time in it have a valid opinion? I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex.

You are the one who should get over it.


You're right, I'm sorry. Please, continue... Regale us with tales of "how it used to be."
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#45 - 2015-12-28 17:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Solecist Project wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
Cearain wrote:
I appreciate your bringing this up in this community.

But I don't think we need more consequences for the currently broken sov warfare game where alts in stabbed and empty frigates hold systems. CCP needs to focus on fixing rabbit plexing instead of just giving it more rewards. Please keep them focused.

And Crosi I plexed all sorts of home systems when I used to pvp. No one bothers to fight. Because they can just wait until I leave and then put an alt in an empty frigate and dplex the system. Why risk a ship?


Why are you always complaining about other people and their alts when you don't bother to PvP? You quit... get over it.



So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested? Only those who love the current game enough to continue to spend their time in it have a valid opinion? I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex.

You are the one who should get over it.

"So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested?"
- Exposed yourself as angry, because it lacks sense.

" I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex."
- Means you see yourself as important and that you have self esteem issues.


She struck a nerve.



I see my opinions as about as important as anyone else's. No more, no less.

I would rather everyone's opinions be judged on the reasoning and merit behind them, rather than who is posting them. But I realize on these forums that is unlikely. So yep, feel free to derail yet another eve-o thread by arguing that only certain players should be able to express their opinions, and speculating about self esteem, or emotional states of posters. Roll

edit: I see your response below but I am not interested in continuing this line which is mostly bickering. If you want to talk about ideas concerning "Faction War and Citadels" I may respond. But beyond that I won't.

Edit #2: Same goes for you Crosi. I'm not interested in filling the thread up with responses to typical eve-o forum trolls that love to bicker.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Solecist Project
#46 - 2015-12-28 17:46:35 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
Cearain wrote:
I appreciate your bringing this up in this community.

But I don't think we need more consequences for the currently broken sov warfare game where alts in stabbed and empty frigates hold systems. CCP needs to focus on fixing rabbit plexing instead of just giving it more rewards. Please keep them focused.

And Crosi I plexed all sorts of home systems when I used to pvp. No one bothers to fight. Because they can just wait until I leave and then put an alt in an empty frigate and dplex the system. Why risk a ship?


Why are you always complaining about other people and their alts when you don't bother to PvP? You quit... get over it.



So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested? Only those who love the current game enough to continue to spend their time in it have a valid opinion? I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex.

You are the one who should get over it.

"So the opinions of people who used to play but left can not voice their opinions on why they are no longer interested?"
- Exposed yourself as angry, because it lacks sense.

" I imagine ccp would like to hear from everyone not just those who enjoy multiboxing alts to rabbit plex."
- Means you see yourself as important and that you have self esteem issues.


She struck a nerve.



I see my opinions as about as important as anyone elses. No more, no less.

I would rather everyones opinions be judged on the reasoning and merit behind them, rather than who is posting them. But I realize on these forums that is unlikely. So yep, feel free to derail yet another eve-o thread by arguing that only certain players should be able to express their opinions, and speculating about self esteem, or emotional states of posters. Roll



I don't.
I pointed out what you did, while you chose not to use that tidbit of information for your own benefit.
If you read it without your feelings in the way, you'd realize that I was spot on and maybe even helpfull.

With this reply you went the easy way instead of reflecting, improving and not derailing things *yourself*.

Try again ... you can do better!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#47 - 2015-12-28 19:05:48 UTC
Cearain wrote:


I see my opinions as about as important as anyone else's. No more, no less.


Agree to disagree, given your unique ability to be wrong on almost everything regardless of how many 'facts' you cite.
Flyinghotpocket
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-12-29 04:52:52 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:


I see my opinions as about as important as anyone else's. No more, no less.


Agree to disagree, given your unique ability to be wrong on almost everything regardless of how many 'facts' you cite.

kind of like you am i rite?

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#49 - 2015-12-29 07:29:24 UTC
+1 for turning FW iHubs into Citadels that can be bashed when the system becomes vulnerable.

I'm not sure about what bonuses exactly to apply, but a good general principle seems to be for the system bonuses to have synergies with new Citadel features. If you've put the effort into building a citadel, bonuses should encourage putting effort into keeping system upgrades active and vise versa.

Another idea would be instead of non FW carebears getting enhanced NPC stations in FW space, those carebears might get the same benefits from using FW player deployed Citadels. FW players then get to skim some income from activity taking place in their structures, providing an income stream at the Corp / Alliance level for FW entities that doesn't depend on LP or moon mining.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#50 - 2015-12-29 10:17:59 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:


I see my opinions as about as important as anyone else's. No more, no less.


Agree to disagree, given your unique ability to be wrong on almost everything regardless of how many 'facts' you cite.

kind of like you am i rite?


For example? Im not the one who points to historically high levels of activity to prove that FW is not just broken but is dead and buried and people should just become pie because FW content is so hard to find lol.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#51 - 2015-12-29 15:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:


I see my opinions as about as important as anyone else's. No more, no less.


Agree to disagree, given your unique ability to be wrong on almost everything regardless of how many 'facts' you cite.

kind of like you am i rite?


For example? Im not the one who points to historically high levels of activity to prove that FW is not just broken but is dead and buried and people should just become pie because FW content is so hard to find lol.



Since this has to do with faction war I will respond.

Faction war never died. And of course, I never said it died. (yet another fact Crosi gets wrong) The sov mechanic has, however, always been broken. That is why so many who are "active" in the faction war zones have extremely limited interest in fighting for sov. Many are not even members of fw.

Thats not to say no one cares about sov. There have always been a few who care about it. But by and large the sov mechanic is of interest to relatively few people other than using plexes to get fights (but then often not bothering to capture after the fight is over) and the rare big push for a system.

My opinion is that the sov war is stagnant. You obviously disagree Crosi. That's fine I will let people in fw and living in the faction war areas draw their own conclusions about how important fw sov is to their eve game.

I have argued that the best way to gain vp and thereby sov is to have multiple alts rabbit plexing. I backed that claim up with evidence in the form of data from ccp. You want to claim that gaining vp has nothing to do with the sov war and instead the sov war has to do with sitting in a boosted garmur ganking all the noobs who don't yet recognize you. Again we can just disagree and let people draw their own conclusions.

As for your claims of facts regarding faction war I will just leave this for readers to consider:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Amarr have probably completed far more missions than any other faction combined.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
Villore Accords
#52 - 2015-12-29 16:19:55 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
+1 for turning FW iHubs into Citadels that can be bashed when the system becomes vulnerable.

I'm not sure about what bonuses exactly to apply, but a good general principle seems to be for the system bonuses to have synergies with new Citadel features. If you've put the effort into building a citadel, bonuses should encourage putting effort into keeping system upgrades active and vise versa.

Another idea would be instead of non FW carebears getting enhanced NPC stations in FW space, those carebears might get the same benefits from using FW player deployed Citadels. FW players then get to skim some income from activity taking place in their structures, providing an income stream at the Corp / Alliance level for FW entities that doesn't depend on LP or moon mining.



Yes! +1 for iHub Hats! We can do this! ::fist pump::

Un-stagnated sov war and occupancy, booze and beautiful women: iHub Hats for 2016!
Rina Kondur
Reveka.
#53 - 2016-01-07 19:17:10 UTC
I think the addition of Citadels to the space is enough of a bonus to begin with. It's a completely new mechanic for the area and adding any bonuses on top of it to begin with will make them harder to take away or reduce in the future. Put them in as is and see how it goes. If you WANT to add some things that would help people, the ability to set repair fees, manage who docks, and reprocessing fees would be a great start to those living in FacWar.

A huge complaint is the lack of Alliance/Corporation income in the area due to the nature of LP and the inability to tax it. Letting a corporation or alliance charge a small fee for some basic services could work.

The ability to control/receive the market sales tax could be useful too. If I invest the ~7bil or so to drop a large and want it to become a trade hub, I could run lower taxes. Not only does this help lowsec, but it even promotes the idea that pirates or militias are running the area. I understand taxes/fees in Empire controlled stations, but player structures to be controlled/go back to the players.
Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2016-01-14 21:28:36 UTC
Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:
It would be interesting to see how citadels tie in with DUST regarding system bonuses.

Perhaps abilities that decrease the time required to wait for an orbital strike to be possible?

Perhaps abilities that increase or decrease the % influence Dust can have on contestation?


To be honest I have to agree especially in that I consider myself a Dust player first and an EVE player second. Our FW model is poorly designed and almost universally hated amongst the Dust community.

Until a half decent model can be devised that puts the agency in our players hands to deploy where we choose and are needed to weaken or buffer a system for a more meaningful length of time or are able to directly act for the benefit of our EVE militia in helping with PI, POS Weakening, or whatever have you it's best we not affect EVE at all.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#55 - 2016-01-24 23:31:33 UTC
Ability to possibly use Citadels as an LP cash in point for the owners associated Militia (Fed Navy, State Pro, etc). However, no agents.
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