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War dec trolls.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#241 - 2015-11-05 00:07:16 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

My dishonesty?


Yep.


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Provide me with another mechanic provided in game, to which being in an NPC corp is a better option than being in a player corp.....


It's not "mechanic".

NPC corps allow you to eliminate fully half the possible risk of non consensual PvP in highsec. They quite simply do not have enough penalties for the immense safety they provide. That's why there aren't any proper incentives to be in a player corp, because NPC corps provide far too much benefit.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#242 - 2015-11-05 00:20:34 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:

You want to make changes to NPC corps in order to make it impossible to exist in a NPC corp


There's your strawman again.


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You literally want to FORCE players out of NPC corps in order to put more risks upon them


And yet another.

Either you're damned determined to misrepresent what I'm actually saying, or you just flat out can't read.

Knock off your ranting, knock off your constant strawman crap, or just stop posting entirely.



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It's not "mechanic".

NPC corps allow you to eliminate fully half the possible risk of non consensual PvP in highsec. They quite simply do not have enough penalties for the immense safety they provide. That's why there aren't any proper incentives to be in a player corp, because NPC corps provide far too much benefit.


lol... I knew that comment would show your true colors.

You claim that my statement on you wanting to impose more risks on other players is "straw man" (despite not fitting the definition of straw man in any context (see my earlier comment which provides the definition)), then turn around and express THAT is exactly why you want to make the change to NPC corps.

At this point, you're arguing with yourself.
I'm apparently just here to point it out and try to bash it into your head.

On top of that, you apparently have no idea what "mechanic of the game" means.

You then go on to explain that they provide far too much benefit.
I asked you in what mechanics of Eve does an NPC corp provide more benefit than a player corp, in which the wardec mechanic is NOT a factor.
You have not provided me with one, and instead used that time to contradict your own words.

Point.
Set.
Match.

You may now excuse yourself from this thread and allow someone with more intelligence to defend your side of the discussion. At this point, I'm almost certain that even they would not stand beside you, as they too can see through the veil.
Who knows... The thread might even die if you're not here making is continue with broken points...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#243 - 2015-11-05 00:22:14 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

You claim that my statement on you wanting to impose more risks on other players is "straw man"


It is. Is English just not your first language or what?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#244 - 2015-11-05 00:24:29 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:

You claim that my statement on you wanting to impose more risks on other players is "straw man"


It is. Is English just not your first language or what?


lol... I love how that's the only thing you pick from my comment to discuss.

Be gone beast!!!! There shall be no trolls under my bridge!!!!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#245 - 2015-11-05 00:26:20 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

lol... I love how that's the only thing you pick from my comment to discuss.


Of course, the rest is just inane ranting and your constant strawman nonsense.

If you aren't going to actually discuss the topic, or anything I've said about it, if you just want to rant about some nonsense that only exists in your imagination, then go get a blog.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#246 - 2015-11-05 00:28:53 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:

lol... I love how that's the only thing you pick from my comment to discuss.


Of course, the rest is just inane ranting and your constant strawman nonsense.

If you aren't going to actually discuss the topic, or anything I've said about it, if you just want to rant about some nonsense that only exists in your imagination, then go get a blog.



lol...

Provide me with a mechanic within Eve to which being in an NPC corp is a better option than being in a player corp, to which wardecs are not a factor....
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#247 - 2015-11-05 00:34:26 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

Provide me with a mechanic within Eve to which being in an NPC corp is a better option than being in a player corp


Highsec itself. That's the whole point. NPC corps break highsec, while highsec breaks risk vs reward.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#248 - 2015-11-05 00:40:09 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:

Provide me with a mechanic within Eve to which being in an NPC corp is a better option than being in a player corp


Highsec itself. That's the whole point. NPC corps break highsec, while highsec breaks risk vs reward.


I asked you to provide me with a mechanic in which npc corps are a preferred option, to which wardecs are NOT a factor.

Highsec itself is the point FOR wardecs, thus wardecs are still a factor.. Actually, they're THE factor as to why being in an NPC corp in HS is a better option.

Also, I did not ask for your opinion on HS.
Furthermore, if that is your opinion of HS, then why aren't you out fight in low/null/wh space as opposed to taking advantage of the wardec system to provide easy kills?

The only way to protest against the RvR is to not use it, and let that be well known. Instead, you take advantage of HS RvR.


So, I'll ask again.

Provide me with a mechanic within Eve to which being in an NPC corp is a better option than being in a player corp, to which wardecs are not a factor....
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#249 - 2015-11-05 00:53:37 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Provide me with a mechanic within Eve to which being in an NPC corp is a better option than being in a player corp, to which wardecs are not a factor....


The other way round, the only reason to even be in a player corp is that sweet 0% taxrate and shared bookmarks. That's literally the only benefit of a player corp. Once they create shared bookmark groups, I expect a whole lot more people flying with NPC corp ticker.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#250 - 2015-11-05 00:58:45 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

I asked you to provide me with a mechanic in which npc corps are a preferred option, to which wardecs are NOT a factor.


And I don't answer bullshit trick questions from dishonest people.

NPC corps eliminate half the risk in highsec. That risk is fully intended, all of it. NPC corps are broken.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#251 - 2015-11-05 01:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Risalo
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
Provide me with a mechanic within Eve to which being in an NPC corp is a better option than being in a player corp, to which wardecs are not a factor....


The other way round, the only reason to even be in a player corp is that sweet 0% taxrate and shared bookmarks. That's literally the only benefit of a player corp. Once they create shared bookmark groups, I expect a whole lot more people flying with NPC corp ticker.


Nope...

Structures, lower tax rates, SOV, security, social involvement, ease of finding a fleet and/or establishing a fleet, development, like minded goals, being able to declare wardecs, and likely many other reasons as to why being in a player corp is better than being in an NPC corp.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
And I don't answer bullshit trick questions from dishonest people.

NPC corps eliminate half the risk in highsec. That risk is fully intended, all of it. NPC corps are broken.


You're making claims that NPC corps are broken because they allow players to reduce RvR and then suggest changes that make it almost impossible to exist within an NPC corp.

I countered that by explaining that the only reason players are in NPC corps is due to wardec mechanics.
They are the solution to a perceived issue, not the cause.

Removing NPC corps and/or making them too difficult to use does not fix war mechanics, it only provides you with more targets to wardec with the broken mechanics.

THAT is disingenuous. You are being dishonest in your claims that addressing NPC corps fixes the issue, despite NPC corps being the solution to a problem.


It's not a bullshit trick question, and I am not being dishonest.

You claimed that NPC corps provide too much benefit, and that wardecs were not the issue, so I've asked you why they provide too much benefit if wardecs aren't the issue.

Until you can answer the question, you CANNOT claim that NPC corps are the problem and that wardecs are fine. Otherwise, there'd be a lot less people in NPC corps.

So, again.....
Provide me with a mechanic within Eve to which being in an NPC corp is better than being in a player corp, in which wardecs are NOT a factor.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#252 - 2015-11-05 01:33:32 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Structures, lower tax rates, SOV, security, social involvement, ease of finding a fleet and/or establishing a fleet, development, like minded goals, being able to declare wardecs, and likely many other reasons as to why being in a player corp is better than being in an NPC corp.


So you're changing your stance as it suits you Roll

I fell for your trap question, agreed. Arguing with you is apparently like playing chess with a monkey.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#253 - 2015-11-05 01:42:19 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:

You're making claims that NPC corps are broken because they allow players to reduce RvR and then suggest changes that make it almost impossible to exist within an NPC corp.


Like you always do, you lie.

I suggest changes to make the safest way less optimal and profitable than the more dangerous way.

That is how the game is literally intended to work.

If people want to be in an NPC corp, or a one max tax evasion corp, I do not care. They literally don't even enter into my thinking, and in my mind they aren't players at all. They barely qualify as terrain.

But their antisocial, maladjusted tendencies should not take precedence over the people who actually matter to the game. The people who are doing it right should be suitably rewarded for doing so. People in player corps, who are willing to accept greater risk, should benefit from greater reward.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#254 - 2015-11-05 01:52:24 UTC
Due to continued off topic posting, and ignored warnings about it, I am closing this thread.

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