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e: I would agree with some of your suggested improvements

Originally they were planned to have full T2 resists, but that was toned back a bit before release as a result of outcry about how it would be too strong when combined with d-scan immunity.

I would personally prefer the T2 resists because in general I agree with most of what you wrote.

I'm happy using either combat or force recon, but if I had to choose a preference, I think the force recon is better.

Not enough EHP for them to be very useful in any situation where they're likely to have damage applied to them. The rapier/huginn and curse/pilgrim suffer from it worse than the gallente and caldari ones, because things can actually still shoot while they're being neuted and webbed.

Their bonuses are all fine, their fitting is fine, my only complaint is their EHP. Either an increase in base stats or a T2 resist profile would fix it.

Neither of them seem worth the cost.

Falcon crutches the cloak, so it's allowed to sacrifice mid slots for extra jammers. The 12-14 jam strength of racial jammers is nice, but it's only a couple more ships that are jammable and it's at like, 70% of the range of scorps and blackbirds.

The rook is even worse. It's low slots you'd need for an armor tank means that you're sacrificing signal distoration amps. So that means either have **** poor jams cuz no distortion amps, or switch to multi spectrals which are inherently horrible and have stupid short range since you're now throwing on a couple hardeners and a shield extender. Also, the 3 low slots means if you're going to have any measurable DPS, one of them needs to be a BCS. So that's even more reason to not fit an armor tank, essentially pigeonholing you into a shield tank with hardly any jam capability.

Also, the rook has an inherent 150km range. So it LOOKS like the ship could be a nice blackbird-esque super long range jam ship. Maybe put two particle dispersion projectors, but with only 2 rig slots and zero bonus to jam optimal and fall off, there's pretty much zero reason for it to have such a high range because you'll never be in a position to use it.

Unless it's targeting range is so high with zero bonuses to any of it's slots that would make use to it is to entice the owner to slap a warp core stab on it. Which I guess that could make sense since you'll probably never be doing anything past 100km anyways. Just limit yourself to 75km which is just about heavy missile max range and coupled with your 36km multi spectrals, you're well within what the ship's capable of. But to justify the warp core stab, you'd need to slap a sensor booster with a scan resolution script just to put you back at normal lock on time.

I dunno man, I really think the secret to the rook likes within the warp core stabilizer. But overall both of these ships seem rather lackluster for what you think they'd be able to do.

They have a better base profile that force recons so I don't understand why you would have issue with one but not the other. Also they are not designed for massive fleets, more for small to mid gang warfare where they really shine. CCP did talk about buffing base stats but it was dropped when they correctly realised that they would make HACs redundant.

BTW this isn't the relevant forum, this should be in warfare & tactics, or features and ideas if you want to suggest a buff / nerf. You'll probably get better feedback in either of those two forums.

There is a gap, but perhaps for a reason. Ewar can be annoying enough as it is (especially ECM). The reason combat recons were not given the full T2 resist profile was because it would have completely changed fleet warfare and pushed HACs out of the picture.

As for alternatives I notice a lot of big alliances using small EWAR frigs to great effect. Also I know it probably isn't what you are looking for, but the new super carriers will be survivable ewar platforms by the sounds of it.

Also you have to remember an EWAR ships tank is its EWAR.

There is no amount of panting or webbing that can reduce the ability of a ship to shoot at you.

From zkillboard active pvp, so the last 7 days:
curse 1,726 Pilgrim 925
Rook 426 Falcon 1,000
Lachesis 2,192 Arazu 611
Huginn 2,653 Rapier 1,770

I'd say the force recons are doing pretty well.

Sorry, but I really don't know what he means. If you could please explain to me how to use webs and target painters to avoid taking damage from like 20 railgun tengus in a Huginn that would actually be really helpful to me.

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He means to say you use your E-war to mitigate the damage through a variety of different means. The curse/Pilgrim obviously using Weapon Destabilizers and Neuting (turn railguns off!) while more esoteric things like long Range webs give you the control to stay out of range or under the guns of enemy ships. Falcons make you unable to target. I don't think I need to explain. Annd Gal ships nail sensor range, lock time and long range scrams all offer range control.

Do I get an "A?"