Missions & Complexes

Makes a HUGE diference in income.

So I don't know what ISK you can get running missions (read sustained) in non-hisec, but IMHO variety is nice. 3 toons making 150 mil an hour is the same as running Serpentis extravaganza in a marauder as far as up to the time it takes you to earn your PLEX('s) for the month. about 24-25 hours of grind. I used that mission as an example because I just ran it and calculated the ISK per hour based on 1k/LP. The other thing that was nice about that is that I have a 2.5 year old running around, and I did that with about as little concentration as it takes. Can't do that in null, cant do that with 3 clients.

I consolidated all of my characters onto one account and have this one for PvE combat, an industry, and one set up in a Stratios for long range/term exploration. I would rather do other stuff on those other 2 toons once I grind out my monthly bill than keep grinding the same thing over and over. The exploration toon has fun in null, but when the reds come she just cloaks up. no need to make ISK at that point.

I mostly agree however agents seem like a decent stopgap for now. I'd rather see something more interesting and different.

Tags I'm not sure about. they seem to still be an isk faucet, however they do add a bunch of problems as you say. And have the potential for use in an LP store of some sort.

I was thinking some sort of "challenge level" anom where spawns are dynamic depending on what you have in site, including content for capitals. possibly add a double or nothing round (triggered by a special deployable from concord or something?). Putting expensive assets in space and being able to have multiple people work together both sound like decent ideas to me.

my biggest issue with these thoughts is how to balance the rewards? Eve players are very good at beating things and farming the hell out of it. Limiting spawns seems like one option, maybe one per constellation and it only respawns every so often. My other issue is I would want to make it somewhat easy to disrupt. so if a roaming gang shows up you have an interest in shooting them and not just docking up. You dock up and they can either run it for themselves or otherwise disable it somehow. Boredom is too effective a weapon. Perhaps tie availability to when your structures are vulnerable?

27 pages of highsec Vs nullsec income sperg & look what happens.

they fixed the exploit that allowed missions to be completed with a blitz method.

Arthur said in another thread he didn't blitz - but all the attention posted here has obviously made a difference.

i think so too.

not being able to blitz l4's isnt a bug, its an exploit fix. that was advertised here for peen / ego in the form of "200m/hour in highsec"

it will only increase the isk/LP across the board, as the ones blitzing will either ragequit or do it properly.

everyone is on even keel now, players that dont visit forums, players that brag here about isk/hour are now the same.

sure there will still be ships best suited to each mission, but only a ****** would by 5-10b in ships set up specifically to clear PVE in eve.

the question remains on the standings thing, the guy that skips every mission bar burners, has this changed also?

If you think CCP makes any changes based on the complete and utter garbage that gets posted on these forums instead of, you know, actual metrics and figures they can draw from the game itself then you are the most deluded fool to ever walk this planet.

The feedback in the information center forum, sure, maybe, sometimes. But I've seen plenty of times where even that gets ignored completely too. Point is they didn't suddenly decide to (ineffectively for some) nerf all these things just because someone made a post on the forums. My guess would be the catalyst was the new financial data stuff they recently posted. Telling was the comment at how surprised the one dev was at how high incursion income was. People have been saying that for years but they only act on data (that they didn't have/look at)

Like I already said, no you still need to run some Lv4s. There are still a long list of normal lv4s that work perfectly for this and my guide has been updated with them.

The funny thing is the two missions that were effected weren't even what most burner blitzers ran in the first place. I had them in the guide because the isk/h is good and you actually got to shoot some stuff as opposed to Recon, Cargo delivery(I found no change), or a couple of others where you barely shoot anything at all. Hell it might actually BE just bugs, I'll only know when I get replies to my bug reports. To give you an idea Attack of the Drones and Beserk both have, with my skills, around 3mill/min income. Most burners, scarlet and recon have over 6mill/min. But it's a bit of a change of pace, 'relaxing get to shoot stuff and blow them up' instead of just the constant pressure/activity of burners or boring warp fest of Recon/Scarlet.

You have to be able to enjoy it too or it just becomes work, and real work pays out WAAAAAAAAAAAY better. So the changes/bugs does nothing to my isk/h but reduces the fun I'm having. Yes, I guess ruffled feathers is right.

Can I just ask what missions have actually changed? I haven't noticed any differences, but that says more about how little attention I pay to spawns and objectives, I just keep shooting until there's no more red...

Done a few of the missions you listed and they are all the same on my end, must have been some kind of bug.

yesterday I warped into a storyline missions and went oh this isn't the one I thought it was, oh well and killed everything and finished it anyways. I even went into structure because I wasn't paying attention. To be fair a new player probably would have been paying more attention and not done that, and also would have probably just warped out. But I have the loadout and skills where I can get away with doing that and not really caring much. I can look at the screen see 10% armor and say if I just hit my MWD and fly at this angle I'll be fine. Omnitanked armor ship vs angels isn't always the best


the ones I can personally say I've seen

gone berserk need to kill all to finish the mission. or at least most, in my case I killed all but there might have been a few ships I could have left alive? maybe I'll test that more later, or maybe I'll just go back to declining gone beserk. my wallet log says it was 10.77mil for the mission over ~13 mins. I forgot to refit for a target painter so I wasted a little time on the cruisers. About inline with what I remember it taking, haven't done a full clear in a long time now. add 1.8 mil in bounty+ reward, and it is about 1mil/min liquid isk + whatever the LP payout is. Hard to call it a bad mission, although might not be in the burner blitz rotation any more.

I didn't see the npc's pre spawned, but that is a very small change imo. if they are there when you warp in or a few seconds later makes almost no difference.

recon 1/3 (angel pirates) the acceleration gate is 55km away instead of whatever it was. not really a big change, takes a few extra seconds in an MWD ceptor.


for something going on at least 5 years I have trouble calling it an exploit. Adding burners on top of it does make it a bit cheesy though. and that aspect hasn't seen any change

and the people that look for efficiency will still be able to find it. I'd guess most mission runners that don't visit the forums or socialize have no idea ascendancy implants are even a thing. or run a burner in a shitfit and say that's too hard and never try again. or fit 300 dps 9001 tank ravens and are happy with 20m/hour. lets trade our LP for ammo, and minerals I mine myself are free!