Missions & Complexes

if you don't understand the terms and situation, where are you arguing with me? No one is trying to persecute anyone. The fact tha tyou are taking it personally probably indicates that you know there is a level of imblance and feel guilty.

why can't you get it? there is nothing wrong with what you are doing, its that the thing you are doing exposes an imbalance that negatively affects some aspects of the game

And what does sinking have to do with anying. Isk sinks are a macro economic issue, has nothing to do with perosnal incentives.

That's what we are talking about here, but you keep trying to drag the subject into something else. And then you have the nerve to get mad when I tell you i think you are being dishonest.

Out of curiosity, what kind of numbers were you able to get to while running burners?

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Not one single thing I've said is a lie. At not time have i tried to deflect from the issue. That was you.

And if you think Anize wasn't mad, you can't read. I read the word "insult" a dozen times (none of you have seen me insult anyone, you will know it when it happens...).

This isn't about "viewpoints" (I think i found your issue, you have the false and broken sense that all things are equal when they are not), its about right and wrong. About verifiable fact (which I have offered the two of you a chance to observe, Anize says nothing and you declined) vs emotional self interested opinion.

If you don't liek what Im saying use the ignore function. I'm going to keep telling the truth about this game that for me and I think others is more a hobby untill the situation is fixed or the servers close, whatever come 1st.

Going to ignore this as well?

It's not, who said it was?

I didn't see it. Last time I fired up the alt in Lanngisi and gave it a go (not perfect skills, used meta guns on my vigilant, can't use Vagabond yet, used fleet stabber, Vigilant survived, had to get a neew fleet stabber though) it was over 100 per hour (selling probes to buy orders, so about 15-1600 isk/lp). Not as good as you because im not quite there yet.

The 100 per hour with one character that couldn't even use tech 2 blasters or a vagabond still outpaced my perfect skilled, +5 hardwiring, partial mid-grade crystal set Deadspace fit Machariel in isk per hour.

Would you like me to try again and provide you screen shots. Would you like for me to PM you the name of my mission alt in lanngisi (again, trust no one but you can atleast see when I undock).

Basically, do you want to know the truth? Do you want to understand that for the small group of people who do top end PVE this stuff is a problem that needs fixing. Or do you want to just keep going back and forth on a forum. Your call.

You misunderstand. it's not that hard to run three. It's HAVING to run three (paying 3 plex or subs per month) to match what people IN SAFER SPACE can do paying one plex/ sub.

EVE online has a risk reward scheme that says "the more risk you are willing to take, the more rewards you potentially get". But it doesn't work that way when it takes you more alts (or more friends) to generate the same amount of combat PVE wealth is someone in space with automatic npc police response.

When i started playing in 2007 it wasn't like that. I don't want more wealth (in fact, I think it's fine that null sec and WH space make you 'grind' a big to get the good loot, buffing null would be a tragic mistake). and I don't want a roll back (the progress hasn't been all bad), but I do want the game i enjoy as a hobby and it's combat PVE features to work right again, to say "hey, play where you want but there are negative consequences for choosing the automated safety of high sec (or the throwaway ship safety of FW)".

CCp has allowed entitlement to grow (as they did with high sec lvl 5s, a situation we helped defeat but not letting CCP forget about how low sec people running for lvl 5 agents that weren't near low sec were getting LP screwed by the high sec bug abusers), and people feel like they deserve unbalanced rewards. I disagree and those of us who believe in balance are going to keep talking about it.

Jenn, you know darn well how much completing a 10/10 pays out, from its minimum to a theoretical maximum. And you know darn well that 100mil/hr is far less than you would get with your setup you linked from the other thread (where people are claiming to get between 250 and 1bil per hour of work)

You also know that in the last 6 years CCP has enabled the "PRINT ISK" button for null sec. You can upgrade your system, and rarely have to ever change systems or dock for supplies and literally print isk from an unlimited ever streaming set of anoms. You could do this all day every day if you want. Mission runners would kill for that simplicity and ease of isk making.

The problem with Null isn't that High-Sec is "better", it is that Politics isn't something everyone wants to play. See the recent surge of low-sec pvp as a clue to why null sucks for players.

But none of that matters except for the point that you continue to minimize and lie about how much anoms and ded sites pay out. I don't know why, as everyone knows how much can be made who has done them before.

Unbelievable.

If PvE was truly broken, there would be a hell of a lot more than just 2 players complaining about it here on the forums.



DMC

Again it boils down to your jealously. People do want they like in Eve, if you like ratting in null then stay the hell in null. It shouldn't matter what players are making in hi-sec. This type of jealously is so immature and you really really should get over it.

You've been playing Eve for 7 years and you're having trouble making 150 mill an hour in null? I find this very disappointing in you as a player. If you've been playing this long why aren't you doing Cap Escalations in C5 Wormholes making 50-75 bill isk a month? Something like this should be what entices you since you're seeking elite PVE max risk for isk reward gameplay, unless of course you're scared of wormholes. So not only you're a null crybaby but also a coward.