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Utari Onzo
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#41 - 2015-10-27 16:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Utari Onzo
Ms Kim.

I very much appreciate your post in what appears to be a defence of my choice and my heritage. However, in my case at the least Mr Tuulinen is right. I have forsaken my Ishukone citizenship, and in doing so cut my ties to the State. I, for one, do not see myself as a Caldari anymore. I am an Amarr, raised in belief of the Scripture and Reclaimation, and have now been baptised as such. I am a subject of the Throne and all the Heirs, Holders and True Amarr placed above me. Further, I don't think Mr Tuulinen has condemned me on my choice, nor insulted me in the slightest. I appreciate his candicy and honesty, and we already established agreement on my circumstance.

I cannot of course speak for the cases of those that wish to follow the faith but retain, or attempt to retain, their citizenship. I only know that my feet are firmly planted in the Empire of God.



Lord Mokk, while I thank your kind words also, I must state in the case of the Khaldari the issue is a lot more complex. Some remain as citizens of the State, simply visiting the Kingdom on an extended stay for business. Others have sworn fealty to the King and in doing so became Khanid subjects. Others, still, exist in a grey area of both officially being on the books of their Megacorps, but by virtue of conversion could be considered members of the Amarr faith, and therefore partially (or pseudo?) citizens of Kingdom and/or Empire.

I'm no legal expert in these cases naturally, but I know where I stand and what I wish to be identified as.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#42 - 2015-10-27 17:03:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizebeth Amalath
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:

"Instead, I want to leave you with a saying from our," Alizebeth continues, before taking a short breath, "late Empress. 'Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation.'

"True Amarr have a reputation for superciliousness. So much so that it's in the official CONCORD description of True Amarr, but my brothers and sisters, I am here to tell you that it is our faith and our works that matter most. After today, you will not be Caldari, nor you will not be Minmatar, you will be Amarr."

What I love about the Empire is that it does not equate race with culture. To read the posts her on the IGS, to be a Caldari means to be a part of the State and the megas. To be a Minmatar is to be a part of the Tribes, though I think they make some silly distinction between Minmatar and Matari.

Utari is not Amarr by blood, because there is no Amarr by blood. One is Amarr by faith. (The True Amarr are a completely different case, which I will not get into here, but even we are bound by faith and service to God.) Anyone can be Amarr; they just have to believe. And, once someone is Amarr, who cares what else they might or might not be?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2015-10-27 17:19:40 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Ms Kim.

I very much appreciate your post in what appears to be a defence of my choice and my heritage. However, in my case at the least Mr Tuulinen is right. I have forsaken my Ishukone citizenship, and in doing so cut my ties to the State. I, for one, do not see myself as a Caldari anymore. I am an Amarr, raised in belief of the Scripture and Reclaimation, and have now been baptised as such. I am a subject of the Throne and all the Heirs, Holders and True Amarr placed above me. Further, I don't think Mr Tuulinen has condemned me on my choice, nor insulted me in the slightest. I appreciate his candicy and honesty, and we already established agreement on my circumstance.

I cannot of course speak for the cases of those that wish to follow the faith but retain, or attempt to retain, their citizenship. I only know that my feet are firmly planted in the Empire of God.

I pretty much understand, taking into account your former employer. Such disgrace, that Reppola has shown, is untolerable.
Although, I'd chosen a different way myself... way shorter. I won't blame you for chosing yours, of course. In fact, I am somewhat happy that you are still our ally and joined the honorable Empire, and not tribals or hedonists.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2015-10-27 17:34:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Ms Kim.

I very much appreciate your post in what appears to be a defence of my choice and my heritage. However, in my case at the least Mr Tuulinen is right. I have forsaken my Ishukone citizenship, and in doing so cut my ties to the State. I, for one, do not see myself as a Caldari anymore. I am an Amarr, raised in belief of the Scripture and Reclaimation, and have now been baptised as such. I am a subject of the Throne and all the Heirs, Holders and True Amarr placed above me. Further, I don't think Mr Tuulinen has condemned me on my choice, nor insulted me in the slightest. I appreciate his candicy and honesty, and we already established agreement on my circumstance.

I cannot of course speak for the cases of those that wish to follow the faith but retain, or attempt to retain, their citizenship. I only know that my feet are firmly planted in the Empire of God.

I pretty much understand, taking into account your former employer. Such disgrace, that Reppola has shown, is untolerable.
Although, I'd chosen a different way myself... way shorter. I won't blame you for chosing yours, of course. In fact, I am somewhat happy that you are still our ally and joined the honorable Empire, and not tribals or hedonists.


I apparently need to clarify that I have NOT attacked Mr Onzo (who I rate as an honourable and decent man) for his choice - nor would I berate anyone who made a similar choice. The only people I take issue with are those who think they can live outside The State and retain the status of being Caldari and those who are jaiiji and believe they can dictate to us what it is or isn't to be Caldari.

I have respect for anyone who makes a choice, sticks with it and accepts the consequences.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#45 - 2015-10-27 18:04:16 UTC
Okay.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2015-10-27 20:37:24 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:

"Instead, I want to leave you with a saying from our," Alizebeth continues, before taking a short breath, "late Empress. 'Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation.'

"True Amarr have a reputation for superciliousness. So much so that it's in the official CONCORD description of True Amarr, but my brothers and sisters, I am here to tell you that it is our faith and our works that matter most. After today, you will not be Caldari, nor you will not be Minmatar, you will be Amarr."

What I love about the Empire is that it does not equate race with culture. To read the posts her on the IGS, to be a Caldari means to be a part of the State and the megas. To be a Minmatar is to be a part of the Tribes, though I think they make some silly distinction between Minmatar and Matari.

Utari is not Amarr by blood, because there is no Amarr by blood. One is Amarr by faith. (The True Amarr are a completely different case, which I will not get into here, but even we are bound by faith and service to God.) Anyone can be Amarr; they just have to believe. And, once someone is Amarr, who cares what else they might or might not be?


Please Holy Mother continue to spread these messages of hope and perhaps many more will see the value of what it truly means to be of the Amarr.

Such words support us and give us hope in these dark times.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#47 - 2015-10-27 23:10:53 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:

"Instead, I want to leave you with a saying from our," Alizebeth continues, before taking a short breath, "late Empress. 'Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation.'

"True Amarr have a reputation for superciliousness. So much so that it's in the official CONCORD description of True Amarr, but my brothers and sisters, I am here to tell you that it is our faith and our works that matter most. After today, you will not be Caldari, nor you will not be Minmatar, you will be Amarr."

What I love about the Empire is that it does not equate race with culture. To read the posts her on the IGS, to be a Caldari means to be a part of the State and the megas. To be a Minmatar is to be a part of the Tribes, though I think they make some silly distinction between Minmatar and Matari.

Utari is not Amarr by blood, because there is no Amarr by blood. One is Amarr by faith. (The True Amarr are a completely different case, which I will not get into here, but even we are bound by faith and service to God.) Anyone can be Amarr; they just have to believe. And, once someone is Amarr, who cares what else they might or might not be?



Forgive me. I'm bit confused. Are you saying that the Caldari and Minmatar determine "Caldari'Ness and Minmatar'ness (respectively) by blood? I can certainly tell you that simply not true about the Caldari. Much like becoming Amarrian requires belief in your faith ours is equally regulated by cultural practices like adherence to The Way.

If your not saying that... Well then I don't really see any difference at all?
Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-10-27 23:47:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Darian en Chasteaux
Greetings,

This goes to prove that the inner self is not bound by blood.

As Intaki born, my parents taught me well to study and understand religious and political views; but later on as I grew older I learned to keep these views at bay less they affect my own personal judgements and decisions I must make out there in the vastness of New Eden, both immediate and future.

I align with a particular political and more or less religious view, and hold true but only in a defensive nature; I still try to be in my own place, and stay out of harm's way; sometimes that is not possible and I do what I must to grow and survive; this is what Utari has done.

I congratulate you on finding your place.

It is further proof that the Caldarian sectors may be falling into disarray; but this worries me, as one finds their greatest strengths when their weaknesses are exposed; the Caldari may yet prove themselves one day; I try to stay away from them for good reasons; for now that is.

Good luck on your search for the truth.

Darian
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2015-10-28 08:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
Here there was a text. Cry

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2015-10-28 14:54:30 UTC
Darian en Chasteaux wrote:


It is further proof that the Caldarian sectors may be falling into disarray; but this worries me, as one finds their greatest strengths when their weaknesses are exposed; the Caldari may yet prove themselves one day; I try to stay away from them for good reasons; for now that is.


Great Maker, what nonsense are you babbling? One emigree who left The State for love and married into our ally is somehow a savage indictment of our entire system? I thought Gallenteans were supposed to be good at propaganda.

But do, please, continue to stay away from us. For good reasons.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#51 - 2015-10-28 18:42:45 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Darian en Chasteaux wrote:


It is further proof that the Caldarian sectors may be falling into disarray; but this worries me, as one finds their greatest strengths when their weaknesses are exposed; the Caldari may yet prove themselves one day; I try to stay away from them for good reasons; for now that is.


Great Maker, what nonsense are you babbling? One emigree who left The State for love and married into our ally is somehow a savage indictment of our entire system? I thought Gallenteans were supposed to be good at propaganda.

But do, please, continue to stay away from us. For good reasons.

I think he may have hit his head as a child. The poor thing doesn't know what he's talking about.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2015-10-28 21:00:10 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Darian en Chasteaux wrote:


It is further proof that the Caldarian sectors may be falling into disarray; but this worries me, as one finds their greatest strengths when their weaknesses are exposed; the Caldari may yet prove themselves one day; I try to stay away from them for good reasons; for now that is.


Great Maker, what nonsense are you babbling? One emigree who left The State for love and married into our ally is somehow a savage indictment of our entire system? I thought Gallenteans were supposed to be good at propaganda.

But do, please, continue to stay away from us. For good reasons.

I think he may have hit his head as a child. The poor thing doesn't know what he's talking about.


I may appreciate the opportunity to hit his head as an adult. Let's see if percussive maintenance will achieve a hard reset to factory default settings.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Raphael Ordo
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#53 - 2015-10-28 23:06:06 UTC
Brother Onzo, I stand together with you as I stand beside our shared faith. My own service to God and His design has only begun as I crossed a similar path from the Forge to the Empire well over just three years ago.

Blessed are we by the holy mission of the reclaiming, and the sacred work of late Emperor Heideran VII, so that the ascendance of ones faith and transition to Amarr is followed by acceptance by the Chosen people.

Our vessels may be of Caldari flesh, yet our souls are of Amarr.

For God and Empire.
Solu Terona
Alexylva Paradox
#54 - 2015-10-28 23:18:42 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Arkoth 24 wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Oh, gods and spirits...

There is a reason for you to be such miserable, i guess.

My sect doesn't teach deities as literal beings; just useful and important metaphors.

Some metaphors are worthy of respect, though.


What faith is this? I find myself curious.

And congrats Onzo. Even if I have left the faith long ago for my own reasons, I can see why some would want to exist under it.

Humans must eventually break out from the limits of biology, its not radical to accept the inevitable.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2015-10-28 23:36:53 UTC
Solu Terona wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Arkoth 24 wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Oh, gods and spirits...

There is a reason for you to be such miserable, i guess.

My sect doesn't teach deities as literal beings; just useful and important metaphors.

Some metaphors are worthy of respect, though.


What faith is this? I find myself curious.


I'm Achura, Shuijing, or "Crystal," sect. Our focus is clarity.

More, I probably shouldn't say right now. This is Mr. Onzo's moment, and the Amarr's. I'm just a guest, here.
Solu Terona
Alexylva Paradox
#56 - 2015-10-28 23:39:00 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Solu Terona wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Arkoth 24 wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Oh, gods and spirits...

There is a reason for you to be such miserable, i guess.

My sect doesn't teach deities as literal beings; just useful and important metaphors.

Some metaphors are worthy of respect, though.


What faith is this? I find myself curious.


I'm Achura, Shuijing, or "Crystal," sect. Our focus is clarity.

More, I probably shouldn't say right now. This is Mr. Onzo's moment, and the Amarr's. I'm just a guest, here.


send me a mail if you feel like it

Humans must eventually break out from the limits of biology, its not radical to accept the inevitable.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#57 - 2015-10-29 19:56:34 UTC
Vizage wrote:

Forgive me. I'm bit confused. Are you saying that the Caldari and Minmatar determine "Caldari'Ness and Minmatar'ness (respectively) by blood? I can certainly tell you that simply not true about the Caldari. Much like becoming Amarrian requires belief in your faith ours is equally regulated by cultural practices like adherence to The Way.

If your not saying that... Well then I don't really see any difference at all?

Oh sweet Maker, now an exiled criminal, who can't feel what does words Caldari Prime, Malkalen and Shiigeru mean, dares to talk about the Way?

But yes. Caldari"ness" isn't determined by blood, and you are a vivid example of that.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2015-10-30 02:03:55 UTC
Greetings,

No I didnt hit my head as a child and some of the remarks as such are quite childish when one states opinions related to observed facts.

This blood-letting needs to cease...I hold true to Minmatar; with all this bickering going about because someone finds themselves cannot possibly sound typical of Minmatar and Caldari origin; granted Minmatar maybe but really; it shows lack of discipline in the Caldari State.

I am quite aware of Minmatar and Amarr dissention; it saddens me almost to the point of conversion myself; I need to work in concert with people from all political views, and have found places in New Eden that do exactly that.

I was thinking of joining up with U'K and have been in some discussion; my interests are leaning elsewhere it seems.

We have opinions as to how we feel; perhaps his joining Amarr had nothing to do with Caldari issues and only personal; something I may have overlooked; for that I apologize. I do try to uphold Caldari authority whenever I am up in that neck of space.

The ceremony seemed eloquent and with purpose, and it was a pleasure for me to read of it; but naturally that is as far as it goes with me.

I am almost wondering if I should have a home down here; I always seem to be stuck in the middle...ah well..."Not all who wander are lost" - Tolkien

Darian
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#59 - 2015-10-30 07:34:35 UTC
So what? Some idiot decided to go Amarr, it happens all the time. All this idiot did that was special was to let the whole IGN know.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Satja Askariin
Adamantine Tactical Acquisitions
#60 - 2015-10-30 10:37:05 UTC
Neph wrote:
So what? Some idiot decided to go Amarr, it happens all the time. All this idiot did that was special was to let the whole IGN know.

I see no wrong in offering support and congratulations to a man who has comported himself with a dignity and humbleness of spirit finally attaining a long awaited dream.