Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So apparently CCP has decided to just stop using the Features & Ideas Discussion portion of the forums.. This used to be where we talked about stuff like this.

So I'm not very impressed with the "Fighter Squadrons." It looks to me as though CCP is trying to nerf the damage of carriers, which have already been nerfed once this year. (See changes to Drone Damage Amplifiers)
The positioning of fighters in space is somewhat nice. (something to do while you are waiting for lock)
Light Fighters - Anti-Fighter Fighters? This looks like a waste to me.

Dreads are getting an anti sub-capital weapon system (which takes place of the role of combat carriers) and the carriers are getting fighters that are designed to take out structures and other capitals (which isn't that what the dread was intended to do?) while at the same time taking away the carriers ability to defend itself from smaller targets. (which current fighters are AMAZING for killing T3s, HACs, HICs, etc.)

There are also some other questions unanswered. What happens to Drone Control Units and the Advanced Drone Interfacing skill?


Personally I feel that leaving fighters alone and just rebalancing carriers from triage to weapons platforms would be a good step, and that stats could be monitored from there and other changed made as needed... though if you are intent to go through with the fighter changed. why no go with..
Brawling Fighters - Same as current fighters
Ewar Fighters - Fighter Version of the Small/Med/Large Ewar drones
Torpedo Fighters - Same as the Heavy Fighters proposed

I demand that the Chimera gets a huge fighter tracking bonus for the lack of lowslots.

Right now everything is theoretical, and therefore linked to the devblog. This forum will be used once CCP have some actual numbers to discuss. Just like all the other ship balance threads stickied right about this thread.

I would suggest you take your own advice and actually read the dev blog. It says Light fighters are "Optimized for anti-Fighter combat and light damage roles." while the havy fighters are "Optimized for launching waves of bombs or torpedoes, able to do tremendous damage to capitals and structures."

So the Light Fighters are basically for killing the heavy fighters, and the heavy fighters are for killing capitals or structures. Where do you get that these are going to be effective against sub-caps?

(kinda the whole point of where I said that the carrier and dread are changing roles..)

Almost every change to capitals they announced was an idea posted here on the forums at one point or another

From changing EWAR immunity to resistance, splitting the fighter and logistics roles to anti sub cap guns on dreads and more versatile DD

To be honest that keynote reassured me that they do read these posts

1.) Carriers don't need to lock to use their fighters under this new control scheme. Was mentioned in the devblog.

2.)Supercarriers already had anti-structure weapons in fighter bombers. 10k dps easy without a 5 minute siege cycle. Jump in, pew, jump out.

3.) Dreads are the anti-structure/anti-capital ship you can't defang with some smartbombs. Carriers are the dps platform without being locked into place.

4.) Everyone is missing this, the line isn't that repairs won't work unless in triage. Its that they won't be effective without triage. You can still use capital remote rep mods outside of the force auxiliaries, it just won't be a good use of your time.

5.) We DON'T want larger versions of the current ewar drones. Stacking penalties, poor base effect, and ease of destruction are why only the jamming drones are used. I challenge you to find an elite pvp group buying up statis web and target painting drones. They aren't used because the implementation is terrible. A redesign/rebuild is needed.

6.) CCP isn't nerfing carrier damage. If anything, by removing triage and logistics from the carriers, they will increase the damage to compensate.

7.) New capital mods include cap boosters, plates/shield extenders, and my favorite, capital sized smartbombs. I can assume you that a carrier with all smart bombs in the high slots will chew up frigates and t1 cruisers that want to hero tackle.

I don't like the idea how squadrons will work. Locking a group of ships? Removing shield/armor/hull mechanics for them and giving us this http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68701/1/squadron_targeted.png ?
Is this EVE Online or World Of Warships ?!
VETO !!

The biggest plus is that capitals will no longer be viable for ratting. Their damage will be ineffective against npc subcaps.

I wish they'd address the Chimera's cap issues along with its lack of low slots when they talked about carrier rebalancing. It is the least desirable carrier for anything but POS repping. That isn't a good thing.