EVE General Discussion

Sorry, I disagree.

You have yet to show that the SP system demotivates players en masse.

There's nothing to refute. Number of people convinced by your argument: 0. Please try again.

You're the one making the positive affirmation. It's your job to present a supporting argument. Instead, you've started with an assertion, and tried to place the onus on everyone else to disprove it.

It's the classic, "There's a dragon in my garage. Now prove there isn't," argument. You quite comically think that this is actually logical and objective, when it most closely resembles the type of thinking exhibited by religious extremists and adherents of alternative medicine.

You're mostly being mocked because everyone realized, right off the bat, that you're a bit of a Dunning-Kruger posterchild.

I think to get more subscriber and log-ins they need to do the following:

1. Make the game more accessible to beginners, but without dumbing down the game. I think making Skill Points freely trade-able on the open market is a good direction.

2. Make PvP combat in Eve Online more fun. I know there are many people who would argue that combat in Eve Online is perfect the way it is. But it's just my personal opinion that the combat in Eve Online is not very fun.

What if they make the ship controls more similar to World of Warships / Elite Dangerous / Rebel Galaxy (where you have direct control over your ship) - but at the same time keep all the existing mechanics such as: Optimal Range, Falloff Range, Tracking Disruptors, Transversal Velocity, ECM, Warp Disruptor, Web, etc.

This would make combat more engaging, without dumbing down the game mechanics. I'm not a programmer so I don't know how hard this would be to pull off.

3. Find some way to make PvP combat more instantly gratifying.

All this is probably easier said than done. But what keeps me from logging in and doing PvP, is because I have limited playing time. I don't want to risk the chance of logging in for 1 hour, spend the entire hour jumping from system to system or camping at a gate, and then log out again without getting any action.

It will feel like I've just wasted 1 hour of my limited game time, without doing anything. So in that regard, some people might just choose to login to another game where they can get some instant gratification.

Why you ignore my previous post??? (Did I strike a NERVE?)

Obligatory "this is why we can't have nice threads"

Not sure where to start, but this my experience.

Why remove the SP? imo that is what makes up your toon and the dicisons you make and that is what I find appearling now.

When I started the game i didn't know there was anyting called SP I just liked the trailers I saw on steam and dicided to give it a try, but the longer I have played the more I like SP and SP is what keeps my loyalty towards my toon not the chance of "winning battles".

You claim there is nothing to do in stations and nothing to do in space specially for new players. What? if there is nothing to do why have I stayed this long and logging in nearly daily?

EVE is what you dicide it to be.

I don't understand half the things you claim, so i'm not sure you know what tools you have in game or how to use them.

It looks like you want to fly cap ships from day 1, all it will take is 1,5 billion to get a decent fit. I'm not really sure why you want cap ships, for a chance of winning and/or take sov?

What will your carrier do to a swarm of interceptors and frigs? Or your new player corp that wants to take sov in 10 carriers what will they do when the power blocks smack down the hammer on your corp's 10 carriers?

Back to my story - when I started the game I flew with a coalition based out of high sec and low sec and my toon wasn't more than 2-3 months old. I loged in one night chats was lightning up, the call was given to form up fleet help defend assets in null sec. What did I do? I asked what can I do to help? Told them I was (and still am) a proude gallente girl and could fly cruisers but not well. I was handed a fit for Celestis, so I went to shop for the fit and met up with the rest of fleet when ready.

It was some of most fun I have had, I didn't expect to get home alive and I didn't, but the shiver from entering null sec for first time and in a fleet with corp and coalition members flying our colours was soooo awesome :) See that is what brings loyalty! not the chance of "winning battles" because of equal palying field. But apprently I should have stayed in station, cause there is nothing to do in space.

My point is that even if you are new and low on SP you can still help out and you can still win fights if that is what you in this game for, your not the only new player, there are others at your skill level also.

You call for science and logic in removal of SP and that studies show that "winning battles" creats loyalty towards your toon.

Please tell me who will win a fight between player A and player B - both flying fed navy comets fitted the same way?

People join EVE for different reasons and to do different things, some like the pvp, some to build empries in SOV, some for the markets, some join to build an industry empire.

By your logic with no SP more new subs will come - then why haven't we seen 1,000,000 new subs of people who joins to build industry empires, cause CCP acutally leveled the playing field by removing a skill that made the difference between new players and older players?

What is the next thing you want to remove in the game? researched BPO? it can't be fair I can't build cap ships when older players can't, and it is not fair they can build cheaper than me, cause I only have a ME0/TE0 BPO while they have ME10/TE20 BPOs

Good lord, this thread is a train wreck. Starring a little engine that just couldn't.

no

it's a rambling attempt to use jargon and be overly clever

if you are really interested in game design go and get a copy of manic miner