EVE General Discussion

"Yet, there's no unbased critique in the OP..."

I don't know why I didn't see that bit earlier, you just bombed your own thread, oxymoron.

This is now a CAM thread.

Carry-on

Better the troll you know!

Carrie-on.

And this may have improved it too. I still don't really know what the OP is writing about, unless I just assume it was written as some weird prose tribute to long words and self referential pseudo intellectualism.

We keep getting these posts lamenting the woes of the new player. It's not like twelve-year-olds are coming here, getting carpal tunnel and still in a noob ship, so they're bitterly crying out for help.

You see "SP" show up a lot, and of course we just had an SP boost for noobs...ostensibly 'cause it's a good idea, but more likely an attempt to hand over a hanky for somebody who keeps QQ on the forum about how HARD those NASTY SPs are, and how if it weren't for SPs more noobs would stay and stuff! Uh huh.

The suspicion hovers that instead we're getting players from games that "level." These players probably anticipated "power leveling" and grabbing up the űber gear in record time to show the big dogs they ain't as big as they thought, only....They meet good old Mister Esspee, and he says, "Not so fast. That's not how things run around these parts."

This is why it's good to raise a couple of kids, or at least ask someone who has. Kids come up with all sorts of contorted obfuscations to avoid things which require effort. They want you to hand them things, and if they suspect you're going to make them WORK for something, they go right into the fantasy land of rationalized justifications, and most people just GIVE them what they WANT so they'll shut up.

Solid parents, however, see this coming a mile away and aren't about to budge no matter how junior whines, bellows, cries, jumps up and down and carries on. Ain't no way we're going to alter the circumstance to please a lazy KID.
No how. No way.

Since most KIDS are in on mom's credit card...who would you listen to, the kid, or MOM? Looks like the big kids who make up the gaming industry are a bit con-fewzed on this point.

I'd say more on this, but my dog wants to go outside. He's pretending he has to pee, but he really just wants to
stand in the driveway and sniff the air. Go figure.

I am always sceptic of people who claim to be objective or unbiased, even though I tend to consider myself objective most of the time. But this statement followed by factually wrong statements is a bit too much.



There is a lot to do in stations (apart from ship spinning). Trade, crafting, research and fittings are mostly done in stations. Mission running and hauling require you access stations as well. And those so inclined may walk in their captains quarters and stare into the mirror or something.

Well, all the rest happens in space. So I don't understand your second statement. It's not like 30k people log on and do nothing in or out of stations every day.



I don't know if you consider this set good design decisions. It certainly appears so. Then let me clarify that Eve has indeed mostly followed this set.

- Crafting is done offline. You start the process and the clock starts ticking.
- Harvesting is a bit different. PI and moon mining is done offline. Mining is done online but most prefer to do it afk.
- I do not consider having the fastest advancement beneficial. especially if the players leave after reaching the level cap because "lack of content". However, the advancement system in Eve is completely different.

As most others I don't get your point. The failings of eve you listed are non existant.

Where, pray tell is this so called 'science' available...
Do it's practitioners publish in scientific journals that are publicly available..... probably not.
Do they publish those ever so 'scientific' and 'unbiased' results of their doubtlessly expensive research.... probably not.
Or is this just some pseudo-scientific waffle to make OP look like he knows what he's on about.... most likely the truth.

Congratulations, you made less sense than the OP. I hearby award you with the Forum Obscurification Achievement.

You could learn and adapt and get better at it or you can complain bitterly on the forums about how it must be broken because you are so bad at it.

Which strategy is likely to yield a better outcome for you?

I think CCP has been very clear with their design philosophy


CCP Falcon wrote:





Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion.

It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on.

Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.