Intergalactic Summit

What civilized nations are you even talking about? I'm genuinely curious. Plenty of worship takes place within the Amarr Empire, so that can't be it.

Calling either the Federation or the Republic "civilized nations" is a great stretch of the definition.

Sorry, what? I've never heard of these "Chaos Fighters", and if they did exist, I doubt they'd be part of the Republic Army.

I've heard her use that one a few times quite odd really.

We fight for a society organized on the level of a confederation with plenty of rules set forth by the tribes and clans and with a few rules set forth by the Republic government. So basically very much like the Caldari state. We don't fight for freedom from order but freedom to have our independence and culture.

Diana won't see it that way of course everything seems very black and white, very enemy and ally to her.

Del.
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Ever tried being a Matari that cites one of the Big 8 as her home? First they freak out, then they try and convert you twice as hard. They won't even listen to you, since now you're both a poor unenlightened tribal and deluded/oppressed/brainwashed/corporate workbot/etc. Pathetic.

There's a reason I don't linger in Federation stations unless it's to stock up on Caldari Navy Nova Rockets.

Actually these words are synonyms, in Napanii language there is indeed a single word for them - "vaajpa".
You really shouldn't call others "not that smart" if you fail to comprehend the context because of your ignorance.

So you are a Minmatar who works for the FDU purely out of economic self-interest and financial remuneration which has parallels in the billions of Republic economic migrants to the Federation. And the only "burden" of the associated financial gains involved in working in, and for the Federation, is confronting a diversity of opinions and political views?

That's your ordeal in life in the Federation? The persecution of people having their own thoughts and opinions and asking about your own? You say you don't want to participate in discussions with people in the Federation, and then say they're the ones ostracizing you as, "Other"?

Is the Federation oppressing Minmatar by providing them access to economic opportunity and the ability to provide remittances back to the Republic?

Is the Federation oppressing the Minmatar by granting the Republic Trade Agreements beneficial to their local economy?

Is the Federation oppressing the Minmatar by offering financial stimulus and humanitarian aid for refugees and recently freed slaves?

No, it seems the oppression of the Federation comes from having to face the opinions of others. I never realized the rest of humanity does not experience personal disagreement, contrary opinions, differing politics or ideology, and the partisanship related to contributing factors of self-identity and loyalty -- ethnic, tribal, national, cultural, corporate, familial, religious, political, or feudal, to name a few.

For a Federation with trillions of citizens and complex dynamics of individual and collective identities then discussion and expression of opinions is an unavoidable fact of life to ensure measures of compromise given the sheer proclivities of views and interests within the Federal mileu. This cannot be changed so long as the Federation remains a heterogeneous society.

Fortunately, for the Minmatar who do not desire to be part of such a diverse and cosmopolitan mileu with a wide range of contrary thought and opinion there does exist an open border policy between Federation and Republic.

Ironically, for a man so willing to decry Gallentean persecution and vilification by having to experience the scrutiny of contrary opinion, you seem very much Gallentean yourself in your adherence to traditional libertarian-individualist ideology -- to free-load and benefit from society for your own individual self-interest while shouting oppression at the first instance if that same society or other individuals counter personal worldview.

And yet for all that, here I am, a Federal citizen, a Jin-Mei, who has offered to sit down and discuss openly in a tet-a-tet with a Caldari Officer such as Ms. Kim, who as far as I can see rejects Gallentean and Federal values but who I am willing to talk with in the pursuit of understanding and respect, even if we may initially disagree.

Kinda... touchy there, no?

I mean, sure, he definitely was saying things that weren't praising the amazing awesomeness of the Gallente Culture, but you're the one who read the word 'oppression' into it. I mean, maybe I'm blind, but I've run his post through at least 3 different computers, and none of us find 'oppress' anywhere in it.

So, you know, maybe you wanna back off the idea that anyone who says 'people talking about their politics and trying to get me to take sides in their internal spat make me uncomfortable' is claiming to be oppressed? Maybe? Just a little?

Or, you know, I've got a long-running argument with my cousin Cailyn about which brand of chocolate drink tastes better. I prefer Choco-Q from Quafe, and she prefers the clearly inferior DarkMoo from a little micro-bottler on Perimeter II. If I attempt to sell you on the virtues of Choco-Q, am I oppressing you? Or just being an annoying pain in the butt?

And wow, way to confirm all of his claims of being treated as 'the Other'. Since your amazing Federal Education System didn't seem to see fit to cover basic sociology, 'the Other' is a term indicating that the individual or group in question is segregated or presented as outside of 'normal' society in a specific attempt to demonize them and incite popular opinion against them. So, yeah, good job on demonstrating how accurate that claim was. I mean, really, that whole 'if you don't want to be a unique and opinionated indivdiual just like everyone else, there's the border, get the frik out'? Just classic.

So, sure, you're willing to sit down and chat with someone who's already an 'Other' for you, someone whose rejection of your cultural norms actually fits the predefined role you have for her in your head. In fact, you're not only 'willing' to do it, you're really happy to trumpet your own open-mindedness about it! You're willing to talk to Diana Kim! You're a gorram hero! A champion of freedom and individuality! A veritable crusader for people to express opinions you can argue with!

But when someone says 'it's great that you have opinions, but I don't need to hear them', well, that's just an offense against freedom itself! Heavens forfend someone might want the freedom to not argue, and not be argued at. Seriously, someone who works within and for the Federation dares to say 'hey, guys, no offense, but stop trying to force me to be like you in the name of freedom', and wow do the claws come out. And you call him a free-loader! That's hilarious! He gets paid if he does stuff! That's pretty much the definitive opposite of a free-loader.

And people wonder why so many of us are happier in null...

*yawn* Even by your standards, that one was weak, Kimmy.

Have to admit, though, I'm surprised you'd leap to the defense of someone extolling the amazing superiority of the Gallente Culture. Guess those theories about you being a Fed mole aren't so wrong, huh?

Nonsense. I've known a number of socialists who are more than happy to not push their economic and political model on the rest of us. I fly with several. Being a socialist doesn't make you an obnoxious fool. Being an obnoxious fool does that.



Perhaps it is. But that doesn't stop us from working to improve the situation. Even many of us whose work lies beyond our borders send a significant amount of income back home for exactly that purpose: to help our people. The danger lies in when those who have relocated in search of a more comfortable life forget that none of us got to where we are without the help of others - pilots, merchants, tradesmen who make the ships we fly, the food we eat, the tools we use, and have supported those who gave life to us since the beginning of humanity. When our people relocate to the Federation and then abandon those who still remain... that's the danger the Federation presents: the weakening of our cultural ties to one another, of our willingness to put one another's needs ahead of our own. It's an insidious danger, because it wraps itself in our need for freedom and self-determination, but that corruption of our nature... it's why I prefer the State's naked avarice to the Federation's promises of utopia.