EVE General Discussion

They have lowered their barriers. Just in PVE it can be seen all over. When i started playing we didn't get missions that tell you how to run them, we didn't get pop ups for everything (a couple months ago I put EVE on a new system and that same day the game wouldn't LET me undock without a mission specific item, wtf??) and didn't have nearly this many tools with which to keep ourselves alive with (I made good use of a target lock breaker in low sec just last night, and in null sec an MJD is a get out of jail free card even if NPCs are scramming you when neuts come in to system, in the past it would have been a mad scramble to kill the pointing npc frig before the neut got you).

CCp used to talk about making the game "easy to learn, hard to master", but that's BS. In reality, the two things are mutually exclusive, if it's 'hard to master', then it was a pure-dee-***** to learn even at the novice level. By watering down so many aspects of the game, CCP unwittingly has watered down the reasons to start playing in the 1st place.

When EVE was a much more confusing and unforgiving experience, it grew, because learning how to thrive in such an environment is an achievement, people become emotionally attached to achievements like that, and thus we got attached to EVE. What are people achieving now?

This is provably untrue.

I train new players, and have since 2008, and its way easier to teach them now than it was then. It's way easier to put them into a ship that will make isk now than it was then (Raven for missions, at least a drake for belt ratting then, vs Navy Vexor with faction drones for ratting and an honest to goodness 1 month train for high sec incursions in a faction gun vindi or nightmare and yes there are still communities that take 1 month old incursion runners).

When i started it took me 3-4 months to grind up the isk to buy my buddy's Navy Raven from him. Last year another friend (a R/l friend of someone else I know) started playing EVE. After a month I let him use my old Incursion Maelstrom. 3 days later he bought himself a Machariel that he couldn't even fly because he hadn't trained the Gallente skills yet.

Everything is a faster train, hell in2007 I was busy training learning skills before anything else.


And the difference between the ingame guide and EVE-survival is that eve survival was frequently wrong. The in game guide is NEVER wrong. EVE survival did not prevent you from undocking without a mission completion item. EVE survival doesn't give you a pop up that keeps you from jumping into low sec (like almost all of us did at one point before knowing what we were doing).

I imagine you don't PVE much if you don't see how easy it's become, and much of that is a direct response to CCP's efforts to 'ease' people into the game.

That's a game I would play. Awesome

Dear OP,

So you don't like the game and come to GD trying to convince that the game is ****? That's like talking atheism on the mormon web. Quite pointless. And if whatever you do RL is as demanding as you claim, you really feel the need to waste your time trying to convert us?
What are you aiming at precisely

I endorse scamming in Eve

No seriously I really do

Scenario

Ok so little Johnny is walking down the street and some random comes up to him and says "hey there, give me 500 USD and I will give you double back..."

Johnny hands over the cash and gets rekt naturally...

Now here is a scenario with good ol little Johnny who has been playing eve for a few years, picked up a few rl lessons.. Well I do not need to explain in detail the rest of the story, as we all know Johnny troll's the guy and gets him to hand over the money with some confidence transactions.

Eve remains to be a game where almost anything in the sandbox is allowed. From time to time CCP will impose a few restrictions, but overall they keep hands off more than any company I know.

If any of the above offended you, please send all tears to:

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you owe me so much isk its unreal, im now in poverty because of you, hope you feel happy about griefing people into playing your games, i demand you give me all my isk back or i will file a petition

Single ? If so, pm me

Tbh. I have never seen this in game at all in the two years I have played. Used to frequent a help channel run by female mods and have been in plenty of fleets with women, there are a couple in my alliance and have actually never heard anyone even mentioning anything with gender. The FCs only cares if you can push F1 and anchor :D The only difference is less phallus jokes on coms, but that is it.

I dont get why OP assumes that every noob gets constantly suicide ganked, scammed and flamed in channel.

I play the game for several years now. I have not bin victim to a scam yet. The only time I was ganked (I deserved that) was in a 5k EHP T1 hauler with 150+ mil in my cargo hold. I have never bin ganked by CODE, mining was absolutely quiet. The overwhelming majority of people I had contact with in this game have bin realy nice and talks were quite fun. Even with people that I had a fight with.

And the same goes for all the people that I have introduced to EvE in the past years.

At least from my point of view, scams, suicide ganking and flaming is absolutely no problem.

I can tell you're an intelligent individual about to unload some insightful criticism on this cesspit of a forum. I am thankful you have deemed us worthy of your words.

Praise be to Meykud!

/s

Moving on.

"Let's take a look at what new users do. They get suicide ganked."
It's pretty rare for newbies to get ganked seeing as they seldom have anything worth ganking or stealing. 0 for 1

"Then somebody scams them."
As above. 0 for 2

"Then they get flamed in local chat."
When they start running their mouth and demonstrate an attitude problem. 0 for 3

"But that's all allowable in-game mechanics! Then the few who do hold on can either run missions or mine asteroids for weeks on end until they can afford a better ship"
This is why people quit, they make the mistake of running missions or mining asteroids for weeks to buy ships they can't fly. You actually stumbled on a serious root of the player retention issue but ignored it. 0 for 4

"at prices that are hyper-inflated by our selling PLEX that gets turned into ISK"
PLEX are not a source of inflation. The ISK acquired from selling PLEX comes from other players, it's not magically created from thin air. 0 for 5

"and that ship is promptly destroyed"
That's what you get for buying expensive ships your character can barely fly. Just because you can get in it doesn't necessarily mean you should. 0 for 6

"and isn't covered by the highest insurance available"
You know that ridiculous inflation you spoke about earlier? Guess where it comes from. Guess what happens when you buff that source of inflation. 0 for 7

"Ps: I look forward to this thread being locked, as CCP refuses to acknowledge that talking about the biggest problems with their game is "constructive.""
You've failed to identify any problems. You even mentioned one but failed to identify it as a problem. 0 for 8

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