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Tactical Navigation Tricks and what not

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Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-10-18 23:09:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadolf Agalder
Any one care to post some tactical navigation quirks..?

This can also go in the Market Trading School link if it is worth to trade the info...


I also just finally "found" some good tricks which I will try to post or trim down to keep some of the related secrets.

The thing is, I'm sure the enemies I manage to out-maneuver will figure out how I do it and inform their mates or other pirates.



(I reserve all rights or the right to translate into French or other language, depending...)
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2015-10-21 11:05:15 UTC
Try looking up spiralling and slingshot
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-10-23 07:25:18 UTC
"Nevermind about maneuvers, go straight at 'em"

Lord Nelson

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#4 - 2015-10-23 11:40:01 UTC
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-11-01 18:48:35 UTC
Lest the secret dies with me, I will post it here before I have to hire some dead to say it.


I managed to outmaneuver multiple bubbles at the gates.
Well, at least at one gate, and the gate I came from. (Which total 2 gates, depending at what time and in which chronology.)

Mind you, it doesn't work so well yet... Although it does indeed work.


It involved using the rookie ships to succeed.
Since you get a free rookie ship when you get killed, although you need a low sec station or NPC station, or one that "allows" you to dock at, or "entitles" you to dock at, you can do this.

The thing is, that when you approach the deployed or deploying bubble, you make use of the ingame location bookmarking function to manage to go around it.

You then chose warp at 100 km or other coordinate to get a second bookmark.
Once far enough, you move in the direction towards a far distance on the side, again to get a new bookmark, and safely warp to the gate.

It does take about 30 minutes to one hour, but with some practice, can be accomplished in less time.
This works on gate camp of 3 to 6 player versus 1.
I presume, from the test data gained that, it would work against 20 or more enemies.
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-11-17 04:19:59 UTC
It just seems quicker and easier to ship into an interceptor and ignore the bubbles all together.

---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----

Samwise Everquest
Plus 10 NV
#7 - 2015-11-17 06:30:22 UTC
Ducks fly together.

Pras Phil.

Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-11-17 18:11:46 UTC
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
It just seems quicker and easier to ship into an interceptor and ignore the bubbles all together.

It sure is faster and quicker, but if the interceptor dies or is Smart Bombed, then it costs more.
And there is no way to make bookmarks like the rookie ship did in the middle of battle.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2015-11-19 01:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
I build and sell packages of bookmarks. They’re mostly in nullsec, but I’ve also worked-up the hisec ‘Highways of Love’ collection (http://i.imgur.com/EVJfsJI.png). As a result, along with being a longtime w-space / nullsec denizen, I am fairly experienced in not getting killed while travelling through hostile space. In all the travel I’ve done in recent years, I have lost:
1. One ceptor to lowsec gate smartbombers – Only a few months ago. I had a perch, just did not use it;
2. One ceptor to a fast-locking gate camp – A really exceptional occurrence, props to them; and
3. One ceptor and one covops to forgetting to activate the cloak and going AFK – Idiot-factor prevails.

Once you have a perch bookmarked your ability to negotiate hostile gates is markedly improved … but a noobship is damn slow in warp, slow when burning ongrid, and also pretty slow to align-warp after you’ve jumped through the gate. A noobship also dies 99.9% of the time if there’s a dictor waiting for you on the other side.

I can’t remember when I last used a rookie ship other than as a cyno ship. For ‘taxi’ runs that do not involve jumpbridges I usually take an interceptor that is fitted out for align-warp speed and also has the ability to cloak (for when I want to go afk). For bookmark scouting and building I use either a burn-speed fit ‘ceptor (again with a cloak) or a cheetah. If my taxi-travels are likely to include jump-bridges I often choose a blockade runner for the space-AIDS protection it provides, or just take a ceptor and wait-out the timers.
A fit-out ceptor costs around 25M isk direct-from-market, less if you are able to efficiently self-build. That is not an awful of isk compared to the huge benfit it offers.

I am not alone in this. My bubble camping in hostile space sees the passage of approximately ten ceptors for each non-nullified ship. Yachts also get quite a lot of use for that purpose … safe passage through my bubbles. I recently tried to smartbomb (disco-rohk) a yacht and was unhappily surprised that he got through the gate safely. Perhaps just my fail as a disco-dood but frustrating all the same.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-11-19 02:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadolf Agalder
Substantia Nigra wrote:
I build and sell packages of bookmarks. They’re mostly in nullsec, but I’ve also worked-up the hisec ‘Highways of Love’ collection (http://i.imgur.com/EVJfsJI.png). As a result, along with being a longtime w-space / nullsec denizen, ...
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Once you have a perch bookmarked your ability to negotiate hostile gates is markedly improved … but a noobship is damn slow in warp, slow when burning ongrid, and also pretty slow to align-warp after you’ve jumped through the gate. A noobship also dies 99.9% of the time if there’s a dictor waiting for you on the other side.
Maybe I should write you for bookmarks systems...

I mostly do trading.

By perch bookmarked , do you mean a bookmark outside of the gate to gate lane?
Sometimes, it's hard to find planet or anything that is outside the lane.
Then, high speed ships are required to gain the 300km or so to be out of the bubble range or bubble area.


Edit:
Also, I forgot about the dictor on the other side.
Can't they bubble a ship if they see it coming with eyes at the gate (on the other side).
I think a warping ship can go through a bubble at start, but it cannot start to warp from inside a bubble.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#11 - 2015-11-19 14:44:05 UTC
Never buy nullsec bookmarks from someone. It will end badly because you are most likely not the only one with those bookmarks.
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-11-19 15:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadolf Agalder
Estella Osoka wrote:
Never buy nullsec bookmarks from someone. It will end badly because you are most likely not the only one with those bookmarks.

How can I say that if I don't even look at them?

Most bookmarks have a way to warp at 100 km away from (before) them.


But yes, it would be worth a try to see if enemies would spy on them and how.


Edit:
80%+ of the time in null-sec is rookie ship proding for me.