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A separate discussion for Elmund Egivand to show his passion to Diana

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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#21 - 2015-10-19 18:18:48 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Not that you actually had any, considering what I gleaned from your killboard records. You are only brave when you either completely outclasses your targets or you had a fleet on your back.


"The only unfair fight is one that you lose." I don't like unfair fights.

Seriously, as a practised pack-hunter I get to hear that particular song a lot. "Oh, you blobbed us." or "Oh, you upshipped us." as if it's incumbent on US to provide a dramatically interesting and structured conflict.

Half of the fun is in the manoeuvring and the logistics. If you fight only in the engagement, you're ceding half the fight before it begins.

Maxim 47: Don't expect the enemy to cooperate in the creation of your dream engagement.


Yup! Also "If it's stupid and it worked it wasn't stupid. If it's smart and it didn't work it wasn't smart."

If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid, and your lucky.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#22 - 2015-10-19 18:19:12 UTC
Ooh! Is it maxim time?

This one's stuck with me.

Maxim 25: If the damage you do is covered by a manufacturer's warranty, you didn't do enough damage.

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Wendrika Hydreiga
#23 - 2015-10-19 18:20:35 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Yup! Also "If it's stupid and it worked it wasn't stupid. If it's smart and it didn't work it wasn't smart."


Such beautiful words of wisdom! It made me shed a tear of happiness.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#24 - 2015-10-19 18:23:47 UTC
One for Kim and Elmund, just to fit the OP'S topic....

Maxim 51: Let them see you sharpen the sword before you fall on it.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Solu Terona
Alexylva Paradox
#25 - 2015-10-19 20:33:23 UTC
Ok, I've had about enough of this.

Kim, bullshit aside, politics aside, what the flying **** HAPPENED to you over the past month? For awhile there you were starting to loosen up.

Humans must eventually break out from the limits of biology, its not radical to accept the inevitable.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2015-10-20 02:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Not that you actually had any, considering what I gleaned from your killboard records. You are only brave when you either completely outclasses your targets or you had a fleet on your back.


"The only unfair fight is one that you lose." I don't like unfair fights.

Seriously, as a practised pack-hunter I get to hear that particular song a lot. "Oh, you blobbed us." or "Oh, you upshipped us." as if it's incumbent on US to provide a dramatically interesting and structured conflict.

Half of the fun is in the manoeuvring and the logistics. If you fight only in the engagement, you're ceding half the fight before it begins.


Unfair fights is the reality of being a freelance privateer. Heck, I wouldn't engage another Breacher unless said Breacher is on the way of getting what I want (capturing a plex, typically).

What I am ribbing Diana Kim about is her hypocrisy about the whole 'courage and honour' and that 'Caldari Superiority' thing she likes to hide behind, that in reality, she's really just one of us folks who ply the spacelanes for violence and ISK. And she's goddamn awful with Caldari vessels that isn't doctrine-fitted and to be flown in fleet fights.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-10-20 04:29:32 UTC
Solu Terona wrote:
Ok, I've had about enough of this.

Kim, bullshit aside, politics aside, what the flying **** HAPPENED to you over the past month? For awhile there you were starting to loosen up.

Dream on.

Elmund Egivand wrote:

What I am ribbing Diana Kim about is her hypocrisy about the whole 'courage and honour' and that 'Caldari Superiority' thing she likes to hide behind, that in reality, she's really just one of us folks who ply the spacelanes for violence and ISK. And she's goddamn awful with Caldari vessels that isn't doctrine-fitted and to be flown in fleet fights.

Cowards and minmatars like you talking about courage and honor?
Ridiculous.

And absolutely ignorant about my skill with Caldari vessels. But what about you wasn't ignorant at all from the start, hah!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-10-20 04:34:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Diana Kim wrote:
Solu Terona wrote:
Ok, I've had about enough of this.

Kim, bullshit aside, politics aside, what the flying **** HAPPENED to you over the past month? For awhile there you were starting to loosen up.

Dream on.

Elmund Egivand wrote:

What I am ribbing Diana Kim about is her hypocrisy about the whole 'courage and honour' and that 'Caldari Superiority' thing she likes to hide behind, that in reality, she's really just one of us folks who ply the spacelanes for violence and ISK. And she's goddamn awful with Caldari vessels that isn't doctrine-fitted and to be flown in fleet fights.

Cowards and minmatars like you talking about courage and honor?
Ridiculous.

And absolutely ignorant about my skill with Caldari vessels. But what about you wasn't ignorant at all from the start, hah!


Says the person who is wallowing in the same filth that we are.

And yes, I am ignorant of the fact that you stuck a cap recharger on a Hookbill and you attempted to brawl in a Condor using rage rockets without using a web and the fact that your Rook wasn't fit for purpose.

If I dig up your latest killmail entries now, I wonder just how amazing you are at flying your Caldari vessels that isn't a Rokh.

No surprise then that you typically fly an Amarrian vessel or a Serpentis frigate.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-10-20 04:40:17 UTC
Here is a maxim for all of you to consider: You cannot reason someone out of something they did not reason themselves into.

Diana Kim is a lost cause.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-10-20 04:41:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Ayallah wrote:
Here is a maxim for all of you to consider: You cannot reason someone out of something they did not reason themselves into.

Diana Kim is a lost cause.


But she is worth annoying repeatedly until she gets an aneurysm.

And the most effective way to get her screaming and raving is by putting a mirror right in front of her and forcing her to look long and hard into it.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-10-20 05:16:34 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Says the person who is wallowing in the same filth that we are.

And yes, I am ignorant of the fact that you stuck a cap recharger on a Hookbill and you attempted to brawl in a Condor using rage rockets without using a web and the fact that your Rook wasn't fit for purpose.

If I dig up your latest killmail entries now, I wonder just how amazing you are at flying your Caldari vessels that isn't a Rokh.

No surprise then that you typically fly an Amarrian vessel or a Serpentis frigate.

I wonder when you will stop lying about me? Did a clone technician assemble your brain from rotten tissues?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#32 - 2015-10-20 05:49:48 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Cowards and minmatars like you talking about courage and honor?
Ridiculous.


Hows Caldari Prime? Quite the honorable battle you had successfully getting it back, How brave you all were putting your guns down and talking about it with the "Gallante Scum" as you put it, jack boots planted firmly on the floor instead of their necks. How brave and Noble. I'm sure its nice in some hemisphere this time of year. Oh wait.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-10-20 05:53:38 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Cowards and minmatars like you talking about courage and honor?
Ridiculous.


Hows Caldari Prime? Quite the honorable battle you had successfully getting it back, How brave you all were putting your guns down and talking about it with the "Gallante Scum" as you put it, jack boots planted firmly on the floor instead of their necks. How brave and Noble. I'm sure its nice in some hemisphere this time of year. Oh wait.

It weren't "we all", stop lying at once!
For those, who are ignorant about Caldari Prime situation, I'd like to remind you, that talking about it was done only by spineless coward Mens Reppola, not other corporations.
Since it happened just couple years ago, I am surprised I have to remind about these events.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#34 - 2015-10-20 05:55:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
With all due respect, were all the same to you right? Cowards, honorless, dirty, stupid tribals. If we're playing the generalization game maybe we shouldn't forget about our weaker halves shall we?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-10-20 06:14:23 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Cowards and minmatars like you talking about courage and honor?
Ridiculous.


Hows Caldari Prime? Quite the honorable battle you had successfully getting it back, How brave you all were putting your guns down and talking about it with the "Gallante Scum" as you put it, jack boots planted firmly on the floor instead of their necks. How brave and Noble. I'm sure its nice in some hemisphere this time of year. Oh wait.

It weren't "we all", stop lying at once!
For those, who are ignorant about Caldari Prime situation, I'd like to remind you, that talking about it was done only by spineless coward Mens Reppola, not other corporations.
Since it happened just couple years ago, I am surprised I have to remind about these events.


And the other Megacorp didn't object to it either because they KNEW he was the man for the job in negotiation for the reacquisition of Caldari Prime.

You might want to put down the facts in point form.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-10-20 06:37:22 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
With all due respect, were all the same to you right? Cowards, honorless, dirty, stupid tribals. If we're playing the generalization game maybe we shouldn't forget about our weaker halves shall we?

When I am thinking about minmatars, I imagine Ayallahs, Anabellas Rellas, Elmunds Egivands. Whom I should imagine instead?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Yarosara Ruil
#37 - 2015-10-20 09:03:02 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
And the other Megacorp didn't object to it either because they KNEW he was the man for the job in negotiation for the reacquisition of Caldari Prime.

You might want to put down the facts in point form.


Next you will say the Caldari State is a democracy. Ignorant baka.

As it stands, the situation in Caldari Prime was only made possible because Ishukone went against the opposing Megacorporations.

Ishukone and the Liberal bloc are working on their own accord. The other blocs made their concerns known, and if Ishukone wasn't as powerful as it is, things would be quite different. A true Loyalist wouldn't bend knee to the Federation, and a Pratical would just sell Caldari Prime for the highest bidding.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2015-10-20 14:29:51 UTC
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
And the other Megacorp didn't object to it either because they KNEW he was the man for the job in negotiation for the reacquisition of Caldari Prime.

You might want to put down the facts in point form.


Next you will say the Caldari State is a democracy. Ignorant baka.

As it stands, the situation in Caldari Prime was only made possible because Ishukone went against the opposing Megacorporations.

Ishukone and the Liberal bloc are working on their own accord. The other blocs made their concerns known, and if Ishukone wasn't as powerful as it is, things would be quite different. A true Loyalist wouldn't bend knee to the Federation, and a Pratical would just sell Caldari Prime for the highest bidding.

It wasn't actually Liberal bloc, ma'am, just a single Ishukone corporation. Ishukone corporation was one of the leading and exemplary corporations in the State before former CEO Gairushi's death. After his assassination, executed by Federal Navy Adm. Noir, his position was taken by Mens Reppola. Since YC110 Ishukone corporation became distancing itself from the rest of the megacorporations, turning itself from prominent and aspiring pace-maker into black sheep of the State.

And it wasn't even other megacorporations trying to put Ishukone down because of envy or something like that, because still Ishukone was way too far from leading Caldari powerhorses. Decisions, that were distancing Ishukone from the rest of the State were coming from the Ishukone itself. For example, I think it was a wide-known scandal that Ishukone was working with Federals in prisoner exchange program, so Ishukone workers weren't tortured in hidden Federal prisons in Black Rise. While members of all other megacorporations were treated as animal stock, or even worse... almost like blood raider slaves. I have reports about Federal atrocities in these camps, if you are interested, I could go about it in details in private conversation.

Yet, the fact remains. Ishukone talked Feds to treat their citizens not like the rest of Caldari. And this Ishukone was always opposing the war and other Megacorporation decisions.

So, ma'am. I wouldn't blame real Liberals about this situations, but only those, who commit treason, pretending it was a "liberal act" instead of treason.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Yarosara Ruil
#39 - 2015-10-20 16:45:57 UTC
Thank you Commander, for correcting my broad accusations. You are much more in touch with the actual state of political affairs than I ever could. I wrongly assumed the Liberal bloc was backing Ishukone in their actions, when this wasn't actually the case.

My own ignorance is unacceptable. I'll see it corrected promptly.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#40 - 2015-10-20 17:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Cowards and minmatars like you talking about courage and honor?
Ridiculous.


Hows Caldari Prime? Quite the honorable battle you had successfully getting it back, How brave you all were putting your guns down and talking about it with the "Gallante Scum" as you put it, jack boots planted firmly on the floor instead of their necks. How brave and Noble. I'm sure its nice in some hemisphere this time of year. Oh wait.


Transactions involving Home traditionally wind up being very expensive for all involved parties. Thus it was on that day. If anyone truly expected us to be able to stop the full might of the Federal Navy with the forces at our disposal, then that person was a dribbling lunatic, the idea (as always) was to extract full measure of blood and treasure. And I'm pretty happy with how much Highlander wound up costing the Federal Navy.

We managed to make the Peace less costly than the War. I call that a success and I also call having a system of government that was sufficiently inclusive so as to include Ishukone, another victory. Ishukone was best placed to pursue the peace and that position meant that they successfully achieved Caldari control over most of Home. I believe Mens Reppola will come to be remembered in the same way as Mathias Sobaseki if he truly pulls this off - and deservedly.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

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