Missions & Complexes

Just some sample data for anyone interested regarding blitzing lv4 missions. Very important: You are able to keep this pace up indefinitely, without the need for mission pulling alts so long as your Social skill is at V and your other mission related social skills are at least at IV. You also only need to run 1/3 or even less of the storyline missions (War Prep) to maintain mission access.

14:42 Time Start
17:45 Time End

Just slightly over 3h. This as measured from accepting the first mission, to docking and completing the last mission. Obviously includes all travel, docking/undocking and mistake time.

Isk Start: 128 104 106
Isk End: 389 098 972

Isk Tot 260 994 866

This includes repairing damaged modules, bounties and mission rewards. I only have Negotiations at IV. This effects mission reward payouts only and is only 5% of that (roughly 6-7mill extra over the 3h)

84 072 LP Start
338 026 LP End

253 954 LP Tot

System is a .5 system. Relatively low .5 true sec. I only have security connections IV so I am missing out on 10% of LP, around 25k I think. Much bigger impact than Negotiation.

LP exchange rate for purposes of this example: 1 679/LP. With this rate I can instantly sell the items I am buying and convert around 95% of the LP I gathered. For ease of this example I'll assume 100% because I will sell that LP on the next run at the same rate.

Other income/expenses: -60 000 000isk
During missioning there are certain items you do pick up like implants from storylines, Scarlet or faction mods form burners. This run was extremely unlucky in that I got no faction mods, mostly junk and a single scarlet (so one implant). Neither of the two storylines were War Prep so no implants there either. Also I lost one of my burner ships due to a lapse in concentration. It happens and needs to be taken into account when calculating isk/h. The total comes out to around -60mill over the course of the 3h.

For those interested here's the breakdown of the exact missions I ran roughly each hour:

Burners        Normal

Worm        -         14:42
 -        Attack of Drones    
 -        Stop the Thief    
Enyo        -    
 -        Gone Bezerk    
Enyo         -    
Jaguar         -    
Cruor         -    
 -        Recon 1
Hawk         -

Jaguar         -         15:45
Dramiel         -    
Vengeance    -    
Dramiel Base    -    
Cruor         -    
Dramiel Base    -

 -        Attack of Drones 16:45
Dramiel         -    
Hawk         -    
Dramiel Base    -    
Talos         -    
 -        Cargo Delivery    
 -        Recon 1    
 -        Cargo Delivery    
 -        Dread Scarlet     
 -        -         17:45

For those that don't want to do the math, total isk worth is 627 425 958 or 205 713 428isk/h.

Caveat: My skills are far from being All V for purposes of running burners faster/more efficiently as well as social skills for mission reward. There's a decent bit of room to grow. This was also not a cherry picked data set, I simply got home from work today, got a snack and started running missions for 3hs and noted down the results. I have had results as high as 235mill/h (no ship loss, some faction loot) depends on the luck and today I was pretty unlucky.

That is crap. Complete crap.

Jori can do 7.6 Burners per hour but you managed to only do 6.

Obviously you lack skill.

You should have been pulling at least 300mil per hour in asset generation.

Scrub

You must've had a lucky mission draw that day. You can't these numbers using only one char to pull missions on a daily basis.

Wait, huh? You using only one ship as well?? Is that even possible?

Forgive me if I went blind, but I can't see the bit where she said 1 ship. I'm guessing a mach and a bunch of frigates.

sure you can, you can even do it declining a bunch of those missions. I might pick the best one or two of them to keep standings in check and that is just because I'm lazy and cba to frequently check my agent standings.

attack of the drones - skip, involves sitting there waiting for stuff to spawn *yawn*
stop the theif - awful payout/bounty, skip
gone berserk - meh skip it, might consider running it if on a bad streak of declines.
recon - depends on where you run missions, some versions you run, some get skipped
cargo delivery - yea it only takes seconds to run, but meh skip

I gave Anize Oramara a +1 Like for posting this thread. It is rather impressive to say the least. Seems like a good streak of luck during a single 3 hr game session.

However a much larger sample size and more time invested is actually needed to get a better estimate on approximate ISK per hour average. Also need to include documentation showing in-game stats.




The thing I don't like about all these 'X amount of ISK made per hour' threads is that LP's are always included to establish the total 'ISK per hr' amount yet there's never any specifics posted such as what items are being used, where and how those items are being sold.. Obviously it takes time and ISK to convert LP's into items which then needs to be resold for ISK. Doing that detracts from the average amount of ISK made per hr.


Bottom line - there's a lot of different variables that affect the total amount of ISK made per hr average. What one player states isn't the same for other players. Skills, Ship used, Ship fitting, Combat tactics, Mission offers, etc, all affect the outcome. Not to mention posting an average amount of ISK made per hr gives a bad impression to others in that it looks like the norm for running missions.

Anyway, thanks and gratz to Anize Oramara. Hope she has continued success in making that amount of ISK per hr average.


DMC

I MADE LIKE 2.5B HR RUNNIN MISSIONS WALLET FLASHED N JITA ALT HAD SOLD 2 PLEX

there are 100s (1000s?) of SoE mission runners. and anytime anyone asks who to run for people almost immediately say SoE. the blitzing lp glut maybe is quickening the decline of LP, but I wouldn't say is the main reason.



188.5 isn't far off of 200, a few small improvements would put it over. Running in Ichoriya is a terrible idea for burners as it is nearly surround by lowsec, no wonder you burned through your standings. burners give good standings increases and declining them means you are declining a whole bunch more standard missions to get the next burner.

corp standing is almost irrelevant, as long as it doesn't go below -2.0 you can continue running. That said you may want to preserve CN standing for jita benefits, but you probably shouldn't be running CN missions for isk anyways.

Pretty sure the 6.05 to 5.89 drop in faction standings will be repaired with one combat storyline, maybe even more (I remember getting a 0.20 point boost from one, and that was with higher standings). IMO opposing standings barely matter. can always just go fix it later. and if Gal/Min standings are the ones you are worried about SoE missions will fix that. Derived standings bottom out at -5 anyways.

the blitzing play style is sustainable, if slightly bad standings with other empires is the only downside I can see, and that is pretty much always a mission running problem.

It is 100% true that the LP values continue to decline. It is also 100% true that any and all calculations are heavily dependent on market conditions, social skills and agent location.

Since the prevailing calculations of the day point to 2:1 LP Isk to Raw Isk ratio I would be very concerned that mission income has no where to go but down. If the LP market were to take a significant drop, missioning would be in a world of hurt.

The system you run in can make as much as 50mill/h difference, even if you compare two different SOE systems.

I've measured myself the exact same way 3 times so far since I've moved to my current system, this thread being the 3rd time. Each time was a 3h run. The first run was 210m/h, no ship losses, the 2nd run was 235mill/h no ship losses and the results of the 3rd run is in the OP. I guess I can do another run, though at this point I'm sure it will make little difference to anyone.

So far each time I have measured myself I have been able to make over 200mill. In the last month+ that I have been running SOE in this system I have not once had to run normal lv4 missions apart form the ones I always run (8 missions). Nor have I had to use an alt to pull missions. This has been 100% solo.

Regarding faction standing I have stopped running storylines pretty much completely, since I'm at over 8 faction standing. My agent standing usually averages out at atound 3-4. Sometimes it goes as high as 6 or as low as 1-2 after a very, very bad mission streak. Even then to get to -2 I'd need to decline something like 15+ missions in a row with no burners. Burners rarely spawn in LS so something like that has never happened and probably will never.

Converting LP to isk currently takes me 1-2min and the value I used is far from optimal. If I was willing to wait for the items to sell I'd be looking at 1720+ or if I was willing to transport the items and sell to buy orders a little bit more. Obviously if I wanted to go all out and put up sell orders I could make even more but trading is not my thing.

The thing about Mission running, blitzing in particular, is that pretty much all of the variables can be either fully controlled or through sheer brute force of numbers remove all impact of them on income. I wish I was the 'reason' SOE LP seem to be on a slightly downward trend. That would be a cool thought but I am only one of hundreds or thousands. To be fair it keeps on bouncing back up somehow. The apatite for SOE modules and ships is a little disturbing to my mind, I mean where the heck does it all go?

For the foreseeable future though this CAN be the norm for running missions. That's the whole point of all of this. Theres an initial skill, time and isk investment, for sure but none of the skills are skills a normal combat pilot would not have access to. The skills are actually exactly what most mission running and PvP combat pilots alike would want to have on their characters. Best part is as your skills increase you can slowly do more and more of the burners, or do them faster and faster. Even my own skills are far from optimal.

Meh I'll do another run sometime this week.