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It must be tough for everyone out there with this crisis
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Estevan Andrard
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-10-16 23:00:44 UTC
There was once ...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4978965#post4978965

Now they are even wardeccing by checking lists of new corporations, stalking tradehubs and so on exactly as they said they would not.

Regardless, old story, you pay 50mil to concord look the other way, we pay 2mil to SCC to make a fake front corp. Business is business.

But hey, dont miss all the fun. I still here managing this band, and I opened this war for anyone wanting to make Allibaitors fair game.

If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-10-16 23:07:27 UTC
+1 for making corp rolling cost 100m.

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Estevan Andrard
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-10-16 23:17:35 UTC
Dont need to stop there, it will take like 25 hops to effectivelly cost for me the same as one wardec. Until there, I dubt all others will still being decced, so it is just go back to the one the wardec expired or they didnt wanted to keep decced.

As I dont need to close any of them. I already have 12+ accounts for blobbing, can have 24 ceos for roughly 500 000 ISK.

There are lots of ways of civil disobedience in the face of war. People just gotta learn that balance is there, you just need to seek it. They try to use terror on the space, I use terror on the office. Until such time when CCP shamefully make us have no way to fight them in our territory, that is what we do.

If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2015-10-16 23:26:59 UTC
Estevan Andrard wrote:
I already have 12+ accounts for blobbing
Was wondering where those likes came from. Roll

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Estevan Andrard
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-10-16 23:30:39 UTC
I would not put them out to make 8 likes.

But from the 166 total I have, only 50 I did, just to prove a point in another topic.

The point was: Once you made something easy to be acquired, it becomes meaningless.

That is true for likes in the forum, wardecs in hisec, and for Skill points in that new proposal of Skill Pill.

Being wardec meaningless as it is easy to make and just a tool of cheap sanctioned harassment, so it is to corp hop for 2mil.

The perfect ballance of meaninglessness.

If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
Spruillo
Lord Narg Corporation
#6 - 2015-10-17 03:18:48 UTC
COOL STORY BRO

PLAYIN SPACE TRUCKS VROOM VROOM
Estevan Andrard
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-10-17 03:26:53 UTC
Cool blocked bro.

If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2015-10-17 05:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Leto Thule wrote:
+1 for making corp rolling cost 100m.

While I get where you're coming from with this, I think it may be a bit much.
Honestly I think that the cost of forming a corp being the same as a one week wardec would be pretty fair, 50mil.
Assuming you survive even one wardec without losing anything you've already come out ahead.
As it stands things are pretty well skewed in the favor of the defender when it comes to high sec wars.
They only lose what they risk, same as the attackers, and in the case of many corps that's not very much.

Aside from increasing the fee to form a corp to the point where it encourages the owners to defend it, I would like to see more things worth fighting for in space.
Back before the industry changes and my trip over to the dark side I did a lot of indy stuff with my little one man corp.
I had my shiny stick in space and my laboratories in which to conduct my mad science and stuff. It was kind of neat. It was mine. The moon was mine! Shocked It also turned out to be a great deal of effort for a casual player like myself to upkeep. My point is that I had something worth having and something worth picking up a gun to defend, despite being a crusty old bear at the time.

I know changes have happened since then and more are in the works. I'm just hoping to see more things worth having and fighting over appear in the future.

And no... I'm not just looking for easy kills. I don't need war for that, nor do I need miners or haulers... there are plenty of ill tempered mission runners in battleships out there to provide for my needs. I'd just like to see more folks striving for goals beyond harvesting ISK and less of this 'can't win, don't try' attitude that seems to be pervasive in the pacifist wing of the PVE populace.

Setting your goals so low that you don't have anything worth taking from you doesn't make you a winner, it makes you the McDonalds employee of the month in New Eden. Ugh

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#9 - 2015-10-17 07:26:22 UTC
What, no comparison to RL crime? You sir, are slacking.

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Mortlake
Republic Military School
#10 - 2015-10-17 08:26:58 UTC
Estevan Andrard wrote:
I would not put them out to make 8 likes.


Righto.

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Chris Slayter
Perdition
#11 - 2015-10-17 10:09:45 UTC
Estevan Andrard wrote:
There was once ...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4978965#post4978965

Now they are even wardeccing by checking lists of new corporations, stalking tradehubs and so on exactly as they said they would not.

Regardless, old story, you pay 50mil to concord look the other way, we pay 2mil to SCC to make a fake front corp. Business is business.

But hey, dont miss all the fun. I still here managing this band, and I opened this war for anyone wanting to make Allibaitors fair game.


It's been a while since I last played EvE actively but Ive been lurking around the forums to keep up with changes/drama/etc.
Nice to see people still go out of their way to cry on the forums just to get laughed at and/or expose themselves as a great opportunity to harvest tears.

Anyway I doubt we will ever meet in space due to your 'superior wardec dodging' and me being practically inactive but I look forward to see you rambling on about ISK efficieny, winning by hopping and so forth in this thread.

Also thanks for bringing up my old ad-post. Publicity! Excitement! Big smile
Estevan Andrard
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-10-17 10:49:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Estevan Andrard
Master Baitors CEO wrote:
Estevan Andrard wrote:
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It's been a while since I last played EvE actively but Ive been lurking around the forums to keep up with changes/drama/etc.
Nice to see people still go out of their way to cry on the forums just to get laughed at and/or expose themselves as a great opportunity to harvest tears.

Anyway I doubt we will ever meet in space due to your 'superior wardec dodging' and me being practically inactive but I look forward to see you rambling on about ISK efficieny, winning by hopping and so forth in this thread.

Also thanks for bringing up my old ad-post. Publicity! Excitement! Big smile


Yeah, bla bla, tears and other points of orders kids say this days.

The objective being achieved, it means little what you or anyone says.

In other news, answering what worth answering:

I dont think the mechanics of wardec is wrong. I think it is really the right way to do it. It must be possible to do stupid things like wardec random corps you wont benefit anything from. People must be put in the position to take stupid decisions on their own and live with it.

Asking for CCP to make wardec fulfill mechanically the meaning of a war is the same as to ask autopilot to warp 0m of the gates or Cloak devices to auto activate in Covert Ops ship.

People must be accountable for idiotic decisions, and there must be field for it. Some lose ships, some lose money, some lose both.

If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#13 - 2015-10-17 11:14:10 UTC
I read this thread but I still don't get it... I mean maybe I should take the Mo approach and take the e out of the other linked thread and see where it matches up here to get the message?

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Mortlake
Republic Military School
#14 - 2015-10-17 11:37:16 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I read this thread but I still don't get it... I mean maybe I should take the Mo approach and take the e out of the other linked thread and see where it matches up here to get the message?


Have you tried removing all the vowels? I think it's a recipe for salt dough but I can't be sure.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
Syeed Ameer Ali
Drunken Beaver Mining
#15 - 2015-10-17 12:46:25 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I read this thread but I still don't get it... I mean maybe I should take the Mo approach and take the e out of the other linked thread and see where it matches up here to get the message?


As best as I can figure this thread is about OP being butthurt because he was wardecced.

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Xorphix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-10-17 13:31:19 UTC
Allibaitors are a good bunch of guys, the majority are on vacation right now I believe...
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#17 - 2015-10-17 14:35:06 UTC
Allibators are pretty awful, actually. They're reasonable human beings of course, they're just terrible quality mercenaries. If you're having trouble dealing with a wardec from them the only possible explanation is that you're horribly incompetent.

It's even not worth allying in to their wars because of how inactive they are.
Chris Slayter
Perdition
#18 - 2015-10-17 14:38:20 UTC
Xorphix wrote:
Allibaitors are a good bunch of guys, the majority are on vacation right now I believe...


Not exactly vacation but yeah some of us don't have time for EvE sadly :(
Chris Slayter
Perdition
#19 - 2015-10-17 14:48:05 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Allibators are pretty awful, actually. They're reasonable human beings of course, they're just terrible quality mercenaries. If you're having trouble dealing with a wardec from them the only possible explanation is that you're horribly incompetent.

It's even not worth allying in to their wars because of how inactive they are.


As far as I understood his message OP is not even complaining about the dec. He just started a thread on how amazingly he escaped the dec by corphopping and how that mechanic is giving him an ISK advantage due to dec fee vs. corp founding fee.

Also casually avoiding to comment on your first sentence Big smile
Saskia Laru
Saskia Laru Trading Corporation
#20 - 2015-10-17 14:57:32 UTC
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