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"Heir" Khanid selects Sani Sabik champion
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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#141 - 2015-10-20 13:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Not all foes are flesh, Cardinal. Some are more subtle. Such demons cannot be defeated by mere "martial excellence", and they strike deeper than any laser.

May our next emperor purge the many evils that threaten to consume Holy Amarr. The enemies of the outside must be defeated, and the enemies of the inside controlled.
Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2015-10-20 14:02:56 UTC

Sourem Itharen wrote:
All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination.

As impossible as this statement seems when applied to a Sani Sabik, as we ourself have not demonstrated the bravery required to participate in the trials, we will make no further arguments against the choice of the good Councils and the Order.

We wish all Champions, including this one, good luck.



OOC: As this is a matter of a human being, who also happens to be more than a decent FW PVPer, traveling to Iceland and having fun with his EVE mates in a tourney, I am going to make the OOC decision not to pursue this further. I can't really justify stepping on somebody else's fun just so I can 100% stay in character. Good luck to you edeity, and Tyrrax too.

♥

\J/

veiled and bound

my origin story (on eve-backstage)
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#143 - 2015-10-20 14:28:50 UTC
Cardinal Itharen,

It is not faithlessness that causes us to ask these questions, but our love for God and Empire. Even as the threat by the blooder to harvest the bodies of the champions and their crews is recognized and honored, the objection to the participation of a Sani Sabik in one of our most holy rituals is dismissed as without merit.

Even now, Blood Raiders are attacking throughout the cluster. This morning I spent time traveling Imperial space killing them, but a Sani Sabik champion, one that claims Blood Raiders are not real, is a complaint without merit. Blooders killed Emperor Doriam II, but the idea that a Sani Sabik champion taints the trials is a complaint without merit.

I must retire to pray on this matter and hope that the guidance of the Divine and the spirit of Her Majesty and all the saints of Holy Amarr illuminate my way in this very dark hour. I will pray for you as well, your grace, and all the heirs. May God be with you.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#144 - 2015-10-20 14:50:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Utari Onzo
I naturally bow to the judgement of the authorities in the matter of the Championship and ediety's participation.

However, considering this man openly and publically praised Omir, and in this very thread, would it not be prudent to investigate this? At best, he is a sympathiser of the Blood Raiders. While the decision of his participation in the Championship appears to have been made and I make no challange towards it, at the very least speaking positively towards enemies of Amarr should be admonished, let alone if he was actively working for the Blood Raiders or not.

Either way, I pray to God that the Trials shall proceed with the due reverence and respect it demands by all participants, and that God's will and favour shines through in these dark and troubling times.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#145 - 2015-10-20 16:41:10 UTC
Sourem Itharen wrote:
Faithful of Amarr,

I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter.

Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon.

In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials.

The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists.

All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination.

But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease.

One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon.

Cardinal Sourem Itharen
Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain




Your Grace, your words have been noted, and I will heed them well.

However, I would appreciate it if you could clarify the following point:

If being a Sani Sabik cultist is not in contradiction with being a good Amarrian, then why did the Cult of Catechization call its 47th Crusade Against Heresy?


Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#146 - 2015-10-20 16:50:53 UTC
Sourem Itharen wrote:
Faithful of Amarr,

I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter.

Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon.

In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials.

The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists.

All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination.

But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease.

One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon.

Cardinal Sourem Itharen
Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain




Understood, Cardinal Itharen.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#147 - 2015-10-20 16:52:05 UTC
As I have stated before, the fate of the Heirs and the Empire rests in the hands of God, and we candidates are merely His instruments in the coming trials.

I think it would be wise to watch as things unfold, rather than to rabble-rouse and upset the balance of things as they stand now. Surely the Lord will show where His favor lies on the field of battle.

Take heart; I am sure I will plant a laser bolt right through this cur's reactor should we face each other.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#148 - 2015-10-20 16:52:55 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
As I have stated before, the fate of the Heirs and the Empire rests in the hands of God, and we candidates are merely His instruments in the coming trials.

I think it would be wise to watch as things unfold, rather than to rabble-rouse and upset the balance of things as they stand now. Surely the Lord will show where His favor lies on the field of battle.

Take heart; I am sure I will plant a laser bolt right through this cur's reactor should we face each other.


I hear and obey.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2015-10-20 18:34:45 UTC
Sourem Itharen wrote:
Faithful of Amarr,

I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter.

Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon.

In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials.

The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists.

All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination.

But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease.

One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon.

Cardinal Sourem Itharen
Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain



Cardinal,

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

As I've stated, I will trust and keep faith with God and Empire. I pray that my brothers and sisters will also hear and obey your words in faith and loyalty. I pray for a speedy completion to the Trials and and placement of our new Emperor or Empress as guided by the hand of the One True God of Amarr.

For the Glory of God!
Khanid Victor!
Amarr Victor!

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#150 - 2015-10-20 18:42:27 UTC
We hear and obey, Cardinal Sourem Itharen.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#151 - 2015-10-20 18:46:46 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
We hear and obey, Cardinal Sourem Itharen.

Be a good slave, honey.
Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#152 - 2015-10-20 19:04:36 UTC
Anyanka Funk is terribly gobby for someone who supposedly took a vow of silence.

Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#153 - 2015-10-20 19:27:13 UTC
Sourem Itharen wrote:
Faithful of Amarr,

I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter.

Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon.

In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials.

The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists.

All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination.

But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease.

One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon.

Cardinal Sourem Itharen
Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain




Loyalty to the Throne, and in these times the Court and of course the Order are never to be questionable. I would seek clarity on the terminology "interference" but that is best discussed in private. I for one have concerns should a capsuleer be directly exposed to a smart bomb upon destruction of their ship that their body be afforded all due respect with as rapid recovery, aid and assistance provided by the nearest ship as possible. It would be the minimum of respect at least that is due to a fellow warrior of the Faith.

That said, appearances are critically important, truths hidden from others must not cause panic or rifts within our faithful. I stand by the edicts and rules as interpreted by the Council and the Order.
Anslo
Scope Works
#154 - 2015-10-20 19:43:09 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
We hear and obey, Cardinal Sourem Itharen.

Be a good slave, honey.

Vow of silence means don't talk.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#155 - 2015-10-20 20:12:57 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Anyanka Funk wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
We hear and obey, Cardinal Sourem Itharen.

Be a good slave, honey.

Vow of silence means don't talk.

STFU ASSLO
Anslo
Scope Works
#156 - 2015-10-20 20:49:58 UTC
That's not a vow of silence either.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#157 - 2015-10-20 21:16:10 UTC
Maybe I missed something here, but where exactly is this faith you all tout right now? If your god sees something as wrong wouldn't he make it fail? If the Khanid King is unfit won't your own faith dictate that "gods work" or whatever will intervene, much like the late Empress' "divine reincarnation?" Why are any of you worried? Its safely in your lord's hands... right? Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying this territorial ******* match you have going. Its pretty comical as an outsider looking into Amarrian affairs, but really?

Roll

(( Good luck Edeity & Tyrrax! ))
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#158 - 2015-10-20 22:43:16 UTC
Sourem Itharen wrote:
Faithful of Amarr,

I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter.

Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon.

In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials.

The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists.

All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination.

But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease.

One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon.

Cardinal Sourem Itharen
Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain



Well now. This is certainly an interesting development.

I hope you have chosen your words well Chamberlain, for they will ever be recorded in the books of history,

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#159 - 2015-10-21 04:37:21 UTC
I'm a bit confused about this fellow; perhaps someone with more knowledge of the inner workings of the Faith can help me.

This fellow is quite certainly a practitioner of Sani Sabik - by his own admission and all evidence. However, his public profile - as well as that of his organization - seems to imply some affiliation with the Order of St. Tetrimon. Are these two compatible? It would seem to my untrained outsider observation that the militant xenophobia innate in the former would be difficult to reconcile with the apparent egalitarianism of the latter.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#160 - 2015-10-21 05:13:27 UTC
At this point, I am not sure enough to give you an answer.