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"Heir" Khanid selects Sani Sabik champion

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Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#61 - 2015-10-19 12:10:33 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
The events of the trial when it is a properly administered holy rite are the manifestation of the will of God. In a proper succession trial it is as much the hand of God that chooses the victor as it is personal skill.

A blood raider choosing the next emperor cannot be the will of God.

If such a thing happens, it is a dark sign that cancers in the system must be rooted out by the faithful. A blood corrupted trial would be the greatest threat to the Amarrian Empire since the days of Molok or the Usurper who cannot be named.

A blood corrupted succession trial would demand the execution of whatever usurper the corrupted trial appointed to the throne, as well as all of those involved in allowing the holy rituals to be corrupted.

I pray that it does not come to such a dire pass and that the sanctity of the holy succession trials is confirmed with the disqualification or defeat of the blood raider scum.



Oh please. Let's take a look at some of the other "champions."

House Ardishapur? Zealot and Venix are known NullSec pirates.

House Kor-Azor? Morgaine Mighthammer is also a NullSec operative, more interested in setting up "Free Ports" than having anything to do with the Empire. Lysus? Another pirate.

House Sarum? 3/4 pirates.

House Tash-Murkon? 3 NullSec pirates and a Matari professor.

House Kador? Really? Two Gallente, a pirate and MAX F*UCKING SINGULARITY!?!?


Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED.

The Trials are not a question of who is right, but who is left.

When I was a slave, if I said half the crap that PIE members have said in this thread, I would have had my tongue cut out.

We serve God we serve the Empire. So serve and stop acting like a bunch of Gallente. This the Trials, not an election.

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#62 - 2015-10-19 12:15:40 UTC
Awkward.

I'll suppose Gerkeh isn't actually a Sabik sleeper agent as some blooders are trying to make him ( Red Emperor? Seriously? ) and further suppose he and his administration will keep quiet, hoping Mr. Edeity will fall out of the tourney via... natural selection.

Then we can go back to pretending it never happened.

If that doesn't happen... well, then it will really be a problem. Looking forward to seeing how this one plays out.
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Alar Chakaid
The Equilibrium of Mankind
#63 - 2015-10-19 13:10:51 UTC
Prattle.

Lord Alar Chakaid
Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#64 - 2015-10-19 13:15:22 UTC
Alar Chakaid wrote:
Prattle.


Profound.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2015-10-19 13:29:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldfinch
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
NullSec pirates.
...
3 NullSec pirates and a Matari professor.
...
Two Gallente, a pirate and MAX F*UCKING SINGULARITY!?!?
...
Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED.
...
We serve God we serve the Empire. So serve and stop acting like a bunch of Gallente. This the Trials, not an election.


1. The Matari professor is a pagan, and the Gallente are likely agnostics or atheists. These people have religious or a-religious beliefs of their own and it makes no sense to judge them just on their faith. They may have ulterior motives for participating, but we have no information to make that judgment or level accusations.

2. The pirates are infidels.. those who do not believe in God's Word and oppose the Empire with violence. Infidels do not exist in specific opposition to Amarr. They simply serve the (albeit mistaken) premises of their own culture. The motivations of these so-called pirates are not known, and stereotyping them is an amateur's mistake.

3. Sani Sabik, and by extension Blood Raiders are heretics. They exist in direct opposition of the Amarr Religion, and in direct opposition to God. Sani Sabik have conspired to throw the Empire into chaos at the highest of levels. Blood Raiders have specifically targeted the Amarr as recently as this week. Every Sani Sabik and every Blood Raider is an enemy of the Empire, an enemy of the Throne, and an enemy of God. By our religious law, their sentence is death.

But those who turn away from his light,
And reject his true word
Shall be struck down by his wrath
For we are his retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance

--The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45

4. Max Singularity is a heretic, no doubt. But he is also of partially royal blood, as per his claims which we do not dispute. His assault upon the Holy Office of Jamyl was an assault on the Amarr Faith itself, but his heresy has no lineage in the same way the Sani Sabik do. Clemency for his acts are within the purview of the Councils and not for us to discuss further.



We are not sure if your false equivalency is an honest mistake or intellectual dishonesty. If you were once a slave, then it seems like the process of your Reclaiming did not contain any lessons to educate you on the simplest of Theological distinctions. Otherwise, how is it possible that you think that pagans, atheists, and infidels are in any way similar or the same as heretics.. much less heretics who once compromised the Throne and Empire itself.



Sinjin Mokk wrote:
A wise pilot knows that our public facade is not always what we are in private. Did you consider that this pilot might, for example, have been working for one of many Imperial or Kingdom intelligence agencies?

Lord Mokk, could you explain why this hypothetical intelligence agent would blow his cover by volunteering himself as a champion in a spectacularly public, holy Amarr ceremony?

Blind obedience to the Theology Council or the Privy Council is not a requirement of being Amarr. Our Faith is not blind. Our Faith belongs first and foremost to God, and if we feel that any entity under God.. and that includes the Theology Council.. is working against God then it is our duty to serve God above anything and anyone else. We live righteously and in the fear of God. Do you, Lord Mokk?

Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen.

--The Scriptures, Book II 2:1

\J/

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#66 - 2015-10-19 13:42:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
Oh please. Let's take a look at some of the other "champions."

House Ardishapur? Zealot and Venix are known NullSec pirates.

House Kor-Azor? Morgaine Mighthammer is also a NullSec operative, more interested in setting up "Free Ports" than having anything to do with the Empire. Lysus? Another pirate.

House Sarum? 3/4 pirates.

House Tash-Murkon? 3 NullSec pirates and a Matari professor.

House Kador? Really? Two Gallente, a pirate and MAX F*UCKING SINGULARITY!?!?


Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED.

The Trials are not a question of who is right, but who is left.

When I was a slave, if I said half the crap that PIE members have said in this thread, I would have had my tongue cut out.

We serve God we serve the Empire. So serve and stop acting like a bunch of Gallente. This the Trials, not an election.


This seems like a sign of increasingly chaotic times. Against people like these, relying on the well-intentioned might just be a sign of terminal naivete. Perhaps this is partly a test of the Heirs' ability to use ruthless means to principled ends.

I wonder, though, whether, in situations where champions stood for the Heirs, there hasn't always been a lot of this. If you want someone who will fight for your life with utter ferocity, you might not want a shining paladin so much as a stained killer.

Reading Lady Rkard's thoughts, though, selecting a Sani champion does seem....
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2015-10-19 13:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
Here there was a text. Cry

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#68 - 2015-10-19 13:43:48 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:


Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED.


Are you seriously suggesting that criminals who are primarily guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots are equivalent to a Blood Raider?

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#69 - 2015-10-19 13:50:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Perhaps, besides all the demanded claims of loyalty and required (easily farmable..) standings to the Amarr Empire, all these champions are nothing more than combat hounds thrown in a pit to decide the fate of the Throne, much like people bet on furriers.

And fickle freelance capsuleers not exactly famous for their sticking loyalties and knowing perfectly they will never be part of any official entity of any faction that they claim supporting...

In such a view, does it matter so much where their so called sympathies lie?

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Sinti Vailatti wrote:


Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED.


Are you seriously suggesting that criminals who are primarily guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots are equivalent to a Blood Raider?



Are you suggesting that a freelance capsuleers probably only guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots that felt to write something in his public record about supporting Sarikusa, is a Blood Raider...?

Might be though, did he run missions for them?
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#70 - 2015-10-19 14:06:24 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Perhaps, besides all the demanded claims of loyalty and required (easily farmable..) standings to the Amarr Empire, all these champions are nothing more than combat hounds thrown in a pit to decide the fate of the Throne, much like people bet on furriers.

And fickle freelance capsuleers not exactly famous for their sticking loyalties and knowing perfectly they will never be part of any official entity of any faction that they claim supporting...

In such a view, does it matter so much where their so called sympathies lie?


As an interested observer, I find myself convinced by the arguments put forth by Lieutenant Onzo and Lady Rkard, that such mercenaries are perfectly acceptable within tradition to be champions for the Heirs.

I reflect on the Mannar sagas from when we were a monarchy. The crown was often won in bloody warfare - great contending armies rather than individual champions - and these battles were not gilded events peopled by shining silver knights (save in poetry) but violent, brutal, horrific affairs between entitled thugs, impressed peasants and yes, hordes of mercenaries, bought and paid for.

Having said that, I think there is a strong argument, when considering the theological role of the Emperor, to view a heretical champion as deeply worrying. A temporal crown may rely on brutes - the spiritual guidance of an entire people must, perforce, be unblemished. Lady Rkard explains this extremely well for we unbelievers.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#71 - 2015-10-19 14:34:09 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
When I was a slave, if I said half the crap that PIE members have said in this thread, I would have had my tongue cut out.


When I was a slave, my tongue would have been cut out for even saying the name "Garkeh Khanid", because he was struck from the Book of Records for treason and heresy. Unlike you, when I was a slave, I was raised to uphold the faith. I would be whipped for staying silent against heresy, not for speaking! All citizens of the Empire are called upon to expose evil, not to allow it to thrive in our midst!

Today I am a capsuleer, and I use my tongue to say what everyone in the Empire has been thinking ever since your wicked king was allowed to step one foot into hallowed Amarr. "His Majesty" has spit on the forgiveness he was gifted.

Quote:
We serve God we serve the Empire.


No, you do not. You, and Mokk, and all those like you, are the servants of a fiend. We are not united in faith. You are infidels that hid your evil under the skirt of Her Imperial Majesty's mercy. But she is gone now, and now we can all see the rot you are festering.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#72 - 2015-10-19 14:42:44 UTC
Lyn, before you continue to act as if Edeity is anything less than a clear heretic of the worst sort, I suggest you look at his own post in which he applied for the position.

Some relevant highlights for you.

Quote:
I pen this letter clad in my only real possession, a prayer robe. Caked in blood both old and fresh of rebels, heretics, traitors, pirates and beings lesser of race, dogma or belief. Like all of my order, I am sworn to three vows. Obedience. Humility. Poverty. The very definition of selflessness, there is no pride or ambition within this soul nor these words. This instrument is yours, to serve as our Lord and future Emperor sees fit.


Quote:
Pax Domini Garkeh Khanid.
Pax Sanguinis Emperor.


The translation of the latter is "Peace of the Lord Garkeh Khanid/ Peace of the Red Emperor"

There is also the matter of his public support for a massacre of Slaves in a public sacrifice in Arzad several years back.

Quote:
The primitive moralising of the Theology Council blind you brother. All serve the divine purpose. For some this purpose is to give of themselves in a great act of donation. This is not a lowly act, it was helping guide these souls to the fulfillment of the greatest and truest moment of their lives.

I cry with happiness at this momentous event. We all should.


This is not a run of the mil pirate, this is a man who runs around in a blood caked sacrificial robe.

The one point you have made so far that is accurate is that it is unlikely that this is an oversight, given that he announced his support for a Red Emperor and his belief that Khanid was that Red Emperor in his very announcement post. I pray that it was an oversight, but prayer is about the best I can muster on this point.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#73 - 2015-10-19 14:59:02 UTC
Alar Chakaid wrote:
Prattle.

Lord Alar Chakaid
Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid


I would suggest that this is an ill advised response given the situation.

When does this scandal your King has created rate more than "prattle"? Are you going to pretend to be surprised when your would be champion attempts to blood the contestants killed in the Holy Succession trial, as he has publicly stated he would?

Will it still be prattle then, as Khanid's chosen contestant actively brings blood raider practice into the holiest of rituals?

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#74 - 2015-10-19 15:01:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Lyn Farel wrote:
Perhaps, besides all the demanded claims of loyalty and required (easily farmable..) standings to the Amarr Empire, all these champions are nothing more than combat hounds thrown in a pit to decide the fate of the Throne, much like people bet on furriers.

And fickle freelance capsuleers not exactly famous for their sticking loyalties and knowing perfectly they will never be part of any official entity of any faction that they claim supporting...

In such a view, does it matter so much where their so called sympathies lie?

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Sinti Vailatti wrote:


Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED.


Are you seriously suggesting that criminals who are primarily guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots are equivalent to a Blood Raider?



Are you suggesting that a freelance capsuleers probably only guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots that felt to write something in his public record about supporting Sarikusa, is a Blood Raider...?

Might be though, did he run missions for them?


Adepta Farel,

It does matter when it is a professed Blood Raider and Omir sycopant. This is the agenda of the person in question " Peace of the Lord Garkeh Khanid/ Peace of the Red Emperor". His agenda goes directly to the security and integrity of the Empire and the Faith in a way that, frankly, no one else in the trials does.

I expect the Society will shortly be issuing a more formal communication our position in this matter to the appropriate authorities. It is my hope that once the appropriate authorities are notified of this apparent oversight, appropriate action will be taken.

Directrix Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#75 - 2015-10-19 16:12:40 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
When I was a slave, if I said half the crap that PIE members have said in this thread, I would have had my tongue cut out.


When I was a slave, my tongue would have been cut out for even saying the name "Garkeh Khanid", because he was struck from the Book of Records for treason and heresy. Unlike you, when I was a slave, I was raised to uphold the faith. I would be whipped for staying silent against heresy, not for speaking! All citizens of the Empire are called upon to expose evil, not to allow it to thrive in our midst!

Today I am a capsuleer, and I use my tongue to say what everyone in the Empire has been thinking ever since your wicked king was allowed to step one foot into hallowed Amarr. "His Majesty" has spit on the forgiveness he was gifted.

There is right time, place and people for such things. What you are doing right now is jumping above your station even before your betters had any say in the matter. Lord Ardishapur didn't make his official statement yet, same thing about MIO and Theology Council.
Let the right people do their work first.
Alar Chakaid
The Equilibrium of Mankind
#76 - 2015-10-19 16:42:52 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

When does this scandal your King has created rate more than "prattle"?


The only scandal I see is that in which a so-called 'Lord Admiral' allows a subordinate, of lesser blood, to manipulate him into questioning the decisions of a Royal Heir.

There will be consequences for this seditious agitation against the person of His Majesty.

I call upon you to disavow your words and repent your impiety in slandering a Royal Heir.

As for the lesser, who dares claim that wallowing in a slime-filled egg confers special rights on an insect such as her, she is beyond redemption and taints you all. Cast her out now.

For when His Majesty takes the Throne of Amarr it will be far, far too late.

Lord Alar Chakaid
Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid
Anslo
Scope Works
#77 - 2015-10-19 17:03:26 UTC
Finally. Now this thread is worth a damn.

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Seraphim Risen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2015-10-19 17:04:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraphim Risen
I believe the common term for what just happened is... REKT!

What's that? I'm bad posting? Okay.
I'll go back to my corner now.
And root quietly for Lord Kor-Azor.

Never not badpost.

Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#79 - 2015-10-19 17:10:27 UTC
It would be prudent for a representative of the Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order to speak to this matter before it escalates further.

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Anslo
Scope Works
#80 - 2015-10-19 17:11:29 UTC
Fun killer.

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