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How the Amarr Championship Heirs chose their Champions

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AmarrTournament1o1
Doomheim
#41 - 2015-10-16 18:38:31 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
I don't think CCP wanted 3 PL teams, they were just being (mostly) fair about selecting based on merit and quality of application.

I'm actually pretty sure they rejected both the 4th and 5th best applications to Ardishapur simply because the applicants were PL , one of the teams they let in there didn't even have a video.


But then what about 4 PIE teams 2 test teams 2-3 PFR teams etc.?

why not choose others ??
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#42 - 2015-10-16 18:39:22 UTC
AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:
But then you're supporting exactly the issue we are refering too!

I don't see any issue here.

Characters in a game universe acted like characters in a game universe. As they should, and as it was stated they would in the devblogs and announcement threads. This is all I've got left to say to you.

Tzuko1 wrote:
Just to be fair, i expected something different. Most teams have a lot experience in AT envirement. Its nice to be a loyal amarrian but in eve it shouldnt count that much. Also that loyal to amarr aliance can play in here, but it seems to me there is no competition to the PL teams. It will most likely end up a free ticket to elise and some other PL guys (PL vs PL final).

So overall im unhappy that AT experience doesnt matter in a close envirement to that and the fact , that being loyal in paper count more.

I would have seen more ATers and ther would be a lot more space for that if u not picking too much from the same group. I feel its unfair.


As I said in my longer post above, loyalty counts for a whole lot, and CCP said as much from the outset, as did several of the Stewards for the more picky Heirs in their application threads. The selection of Captains was done by the characters of the Heirs. They were picked according to the guidelines that each Heir had their Steward outline, as well as the internal biases of each of the Heirs themselves. Some Heirs would be fine with having mercenaries and non-loyalists flying under their name. They'd consider that a good investment. And some would not, and they would prefer to load their options with people they know to be loyal to their cause. If you don't like it, you too can reference my link for AT1o1.

Furthermore, calling 12 years of constant, dedicated service from groups like PIE "being loyal in paper" is an incredibly insulting and ignorant thing to say. PIE, both as a corp and an alliance, are the definition of loyalist in word and in deed as far as New Eden is concerned.

Makoto Priano wrote:
Christ, Elise, you went all in. I wouldn't wish a re-read of Empyrean Age on anyone.

Yeah, he did. We were at one of those events together and I regret not going over to chat IC. Sad

I also would not wish such a re-read on anyone either.Lol

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#43 - 2015-10-16 18:40:10 UTC
I think they just chose the best applications for the most part, simple as that
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#44 - 2015-10-16 18:43:33 UTC
I don't disagree with that at all. I think some people are just having trouble comprehending that the definition of "the best applications" wasn't necessarily being made on an out-of-character basis, and that it was being done in-character.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#45 - 2015-10-16 18:44:59 UTC
Yeah I mean a good application would've taken everything you said into account.

(My last post was in response to AmarrTournament1o1)
Annie Gardet
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#46 - 2015-10-16 18:45:05 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
I think they just chose the best applications for the most part, simple as that

Let's be honest for a minute please.
http://puu.sh/kMvsS/46d318db39.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4RQIhGLg_o
https://zkillboard.com/character/94775260/
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#47 - 2015-10-16 18:46:13 UTC
Annie Gardet wrote:
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
I think they just chose the best applications for the most part, simple as that

Let's be honest for a minute please.
http://puu.sh/kMvsS/46d318db39.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4RQIhGLg_o
https://zkillboard.com/character/94775260/


Haha well Sarum didn't have very many applications, I can't really say whether that one was top 4 or not since I haven't gone over them :)
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#48 - 2015-10-16 18:47:34 UTC
In the name of the Empire, non-RP scrubs will STFU now.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

AmarrTournament1o1
Doomheim
#49 - 2015-10-16 18:50:05 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Elise Randolph wrote:
Your corp members post was nice and the video was neat, but it wasn't a PvP video (part of the requirements for entry). You dubbed an Eve trailer. Everyone else in that house who was selected submitted actual PvP videos.


This.

Any application that didn't post a combat video was probably ignored outright for not meeting the requirements. And there were a lot of people who didn't.


From the Dev Blog:

Quote:
Applications must include:

...
A video showcasing your skills in combat. Use of Amarr ships and fighting in small gang/solo scenarios are recommended, but not required. Note that the video does not need to be from an IC perspective.
...


Anyone who failed to follow the requirements has no one to blame but themselves.


Please don't edite quote you scrub

the text goes
Quote:
A video showcasing your skills in combat. Use of Amarr ships and fighting in small gang/solo scenarios are recommended, but not required. Note that the video does not need to be from an IC perspective.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#50 - 2015-10-16 18:51:41 UTC
Annie Gardet wrote:
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
I think they just chose the best applications for the most part, simple as that

Let's be honest for a minute please.
http://puu.sh/kMvsS/46d318db39.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4RQIhGLg_o
https://zkillboard.com/character/94775260/


Yeah briefly looking over the Sarum applications I think you're right and that shouldn't be top 4
However we can't see if he aced this part, maybe that's what made the difference;

"those with an extensive record of service to the Throne, with high standings toward organizations within in the Imperial Military will be of highest consideration, including long service with the 24th Imperial Crusade, and high standing with the Amarr Navy and Ministry of War."

AmarrTournament1o1
Doomheim
#51 - 2015-10-16 18:55:12 UTC
AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Elise Randolph wrote:
Your corp members post was nice and the video was neat, but it wasn't a PvP video (part of the requirements for entry). You dubbed an Eve trailer. Everyone else in that house who was selected submitted actual PvP videos.


This.

Any application that didn't post a combat video was probably ignored outright for not meeting the requirements. And there were a lot of people who didn't.


From the Dev Blog:

Quote:
Applications must include:

...
A video showcasing your skills in combat. Use of Amarr ships and fighting in small gang/solo scenarios are recommended, but not required. Note that the video does not need to be from an IC perspective.
...


Anyone who failed to follow the requirements has no one to blame but themselves.


Please don't edit quotes you scrub

the text goes
Quote:
A video showcasing your skills in combat. Use of Amarr ships and fighting in small gang/solo scenarios are recommended, but not required. Note that the video does not need to be from an IC perspective.

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2015-10-16 18:56:51 UTC

Hey OP, you conveniently avoided responding to Elise's callout post.

If you can't meet the requirements of the Heir, why do you think you should be chosen?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-10-16 18:58:21 UTC

Oh good Lord, you posted a video with a bunch of cutscenes.

Really?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#54 - 2015-10-16 19:03:55 UTC
Why WOULDN'T PIE be picked a lot?
1. They are one of if not the oldest Amarr loyalist group which is RP points
2. more importantly, they do FW which lends itself to small gangs of small ships
3. equally as important, their SOP is to fly ONLY Amarr ships.

So people who specialize in Amarr Frigates are a natural choice for a tournament where you have to fly Amarr frigates.
AmarrTournament1o1
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-10-16 19:05:57 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
Why WOULDN'T PIE be picked a lot?
1. They are one of if not the oldest Amarr loyalist group which is RP points
2. more importantly, they do FW which lends itself to small gangs of small ships
3. equally as important, their SOP is to fly ONLY Amarr ships.

So people who specialize in Amarr Frigates are a natural choice for a tournament where you have to fly Amarr frigates.



But again then why 2-3x PFR why 3x PL why 2x Test and 0 CVA??????
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#56 - 2015-10-16 19:12:42 UTC
Why would CVA even exist without PIE in it ? ;P
AmarrTournament1o1
Doomheim
#57 - 2015-10-16 19:13:25 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

Hey OP, you conveniently avoided responding to Elise's callout post.

If you can't meet the requirements of the Heir, why do you think you should be chosen?



Elise didn't call me out anywhere and if he did please enlighten me, He called out a guy from bikini something something. :)
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#58 - 2015-10-16 19:18:23 UTC
AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Hey OP, you conveniently avoided responding to Elise's callout post.

If you can't meet the requirements of the Heir, why do you think you should be chosen?



Elise didn't call me out anywhere and if he did please enlighten me, He called out a guy from bikini something something. :)

Here, I will quote it to you.
Elise Randolph wrote:

Yo I ran close to 400 level 4 missions to get my standings near maxed, read every chronicle, re-read the Empyrean Age, started a war on the RP forum, attended several in-game RP events (which I can say for certain none of you people did), captured a station, and dropped about 10k AUR on Sarum skins and dank Amarr hats. I took "try hard" to its limits.

Your corp members post was nice and the video was neat, but it wasn't a PvP video (part of the requirements for entry). You dubbed an Eve trailer. Everyone else in that house who was selected submitted actual PvP videos.

This is an example of how the thing should be done properly. Time investment returns profits.

Are you invested?
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2015-10-16 19:19:34 UTC

AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:
Elise didn't call me out anywhere and if he did please enlighten me, He called out a guy from bikini something something. :)


I guess I couldn't tell because you're hiding behind an alt.

See how absurd this conversation is? Post with your main.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

AmarrTournament1o1
Doomheim
#60 - 2015-10-16 19:23:18 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:
Elise didn't call me out anywhere and if he did please enlighten me, He called out a guy from bikini something something. :)


I guess I couldn't tell because you're hiding behind an alt.

See how absurd this conversation is? Post with your main.



Hell no :P that would ruin all the mystery!