Missions & Complexes

depends on the mission. In lv3s it is probably okay because kill speed is so high, in lv4s generally I'd decline something like that. Although many missions have a lot of enemies you don't have to kill to complete the mission, and some acceleration gates aren't locked.


with lv3s I have some doubts, but won't say it is impossible as I haven't tried it. with lv4s and burner blitzing you can do 100m+ liquid, plus a lot of LP.

feel free to look around LP stores, hard to get 2k these days, but lots of options in the 1500-1700 range. https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/



now what if you make 10mil in bounties/rewards/bonus, 20mil, 30mil? Stoic's spreadsheet says ~19mil/hour in liquid isk. and this is a short run that isn't optimized.


if there was a good way to measure the other time sinks involved I would do it. It is easy and objective to measure things like bounty payouts, and LP payouts. And considering time spent trading is literally your only counterargument it imo doesn't weigh for much. there are many ways to minimize overhead. don't cash out every day, cash out once a week, once a month. if you only update orders once a week most of the time it buys or sells as prices go up and down through the week. you don't have to undercut every time someone prices a few items 0.01 isk below you. wait a week and look to see they got bought out and so did your order.

my trade character has tycoon, how do you want me to track updating a few LP related orders. Oh and I buy tags for less than jita sell price, should I add that in too? Oh and how about that 200mil in loot that you get every now and then? I could manufacture/trade on my mission character while in warp.

and even if I do lose a few mil/hour on my 200mil/hour+ so what? I pretty much have enough isk I'm bored, but not quite enough I could go do stupid stuff all the time. although to really hit that point I think I'd be better off just focusing full time on trading rather than mission running.

Yup, and you are welcome to flag any off topic posts I make.

alright so over 2 hrs 5mins I completed 29 missions using a warp speed fit proteus. I used the proteus instead of the tengu for the drone bay as I was worried about elite frigs/spider drones, which didn't seem to be an issue. Also with drone travel time I hardly used the drones. The prot does more dps than the tengu but at a shorter range. Still not sure how important that is. Although a few missions made me wish I had a MJD/MWD mach.

For system I picked Vaajaita http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Lonetrek/Vaajaita#const and the Sukuuvestaa corp, as there are 3 agents in system. This system does have a neighboring lowsec in constellation but you can pretty safely decline missions that go there, standing hits are very small, or ignore them as you do have 3 agents with one decline each. I accepted every non faction/lowsec mission.

Vaajaita has a very small radius so warp speed isn't as important in system. Most missions were in neighboring system Akonoinen which is also fairly small, so again warp speed probably isn't the largest factor. Taking this into account fitting some extra projection rigs probably would have given me a slight boost.

additionally as I have not run lv3s in years I am rather unsure on the blitzes to many missions, but remembered on a few. Also I accepted a few missions that I'm pretty sure were ones I should just decline in the future as they take a long time. I had an angels extra and intercept the saboteurs in one pull of 3, that group took me ~25mins, the other groupings were all inside ~7-15mins. there was one grouping where I forgot to accept a mission. Game lags when trying to complete/accept 3 missions at the same time

overall I generated 44.2mil isk and 43,091 LP

1000 isk/lp that is 41.9 mil/hour
1800 isk/lp it's 58.5mil/hour which is the current rate for CN BCUs and CN Co-procs. although at 135k LP I'm a long way off from realizing any LP value.
2000isk/lp it ends up at 62.6m/hour.

but that's just my statistically insignificant result with a lot of room for min/maxing.

PS: important factoid: I looted 60 male exotic dancers over the run, game says they are worth 4.5mil (sadly looking at eve-central says that is too much)

That generally agrees with what I have seen from myself, others and reports.

lvl 3's in the 50-70mil per hour asset generation

On a side note I see 70-100 lvl 4's if you blitz selective and 120ish and over with luck if you do just Burners.

All of that sucks compared to what I just ran this afternoon in my static.

And all of these numbers are only good until more people leave the game and the ones that stay run more efficient missioning. LP values aren't rising, and won't again until CCP does something content wise with PVE.

@McAlt I feel comfortable with 50mil/hour, with room for optimization, but at 50m/hour even a 20% boost is only 10m. with burners there are a few things you can do that jack up the isk/hour. the 100mil liquid 100k lp is going to fluctuate a bit. more bases more isk, more standard burners more LP.

who leaves and who stays is a big question. along with what happens to faction mods when they get hit with tiericide. I'm expecting to benefit from it, but could very well get nerfed hard. And a big LP rebalance is something I'd like to see.

when you say static, I assume WH, and well thats a whole different part of the game :p

@anize
fits are all about the same, as much gank as possible. tbh didn't really need the DCU at all, most missions didn't even get me out of shields. Didn't get jammed once.
[Proteus, lv3 blitz]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Damage Control II

50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
250mm Railgun II, Javelin M

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

Yeah, TE will get you a few more KMs of pew and a bit better tracking. That's the only difference in my fit.

My Tengu looks like this but I agree it is a little sketchy without drones:

[Tengu, lvl3s]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script
50MN Microwarpdrive II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

Here is the rabbit hole for those interested in previous threads.

Knowing what needs to be killed and what doesn't is also key.

Honestly I like to throw in two faction webs and drop a magstab for a TE on the tengu. It really helps if you screw up and something gets inside your wheel.

He probably uses the right ammo for the job and this is mostly based on the range of your target, the reason you use Javelin is for the tracking not the DPS.

If you can't afford a T3, I would use a Demios over a Navy Brutix, although they did just get a buff making them more appealing for this role, they are still too slow.


That doesn't really make any sense to me.(Unless you can't fly a Prot) You are nerfing your range to right around the Prot's and you have 100 less DPS. (Ignoring drones) Not to mention you raise your chances of becoming a gank target considerably.

He has 2 TCs if change one TC at tracking and use Navy AM is still better tracking and range than plain Javelins.