Missions & Complexes

No one likes him, but I highly doubt he cares.

The biggest problem with doing lv3s is that theres no burner missions.

Also what I do to specifically ward off the special kind of stupid he displays is to simply say I make over 200mill/h when running missions. I can do this for an infinite amount of time without needing an alt, without having to ship or manufacture LP items.

Now I have actually clocked myself at 235mill/h (for 3h, not just one hour). Any small inconsistencies, like say I undock and see I forgot to repair my heat damage and have to dock again will easily be buffered by that 35mill/h since you can only make so many mistakes per hour nothing he can come up with will make my initial claim of 'over 200m/h' ever be wrong.

So he's basically stopped responding to my posts

with all the changes to industry you don't need an industry alt anymore (oh noes, trained a few levels of mass production character sheet ruined!!!). Also many LP items cost almost nothing in minerals to make so you can just make them in whatever trade hub which makes transportation super easy as you just have to move some BPCs. And most items are modules so you can just make those wherever and they are still easy to transport. Also with trade skills you don't really need too many SP to be effective. also it is probably easier to grind standings on a mission character for more fee reductions.

manufacturing and trading are both mostly passive tasks. with the new industry window it takes very little time to start 10 jobs, heck I can even start/deliver them while I'm warping around to/from missions. Also I can set up remote buy/sell orders, and modify them while in transit. Plus most of the time they settle when I'm not even at the computer.

I still think that since it is much easier to compare the active mission running activities than other activities that it makes sense to focus on "isk/hour". The "other" activities hard to account for and are going to impact most activities similarly so I don't tend to focus on them. If we are just going to count everything then I spend most of my time ship spinning, therefor it is impossibly to make over 20mil isk/hour!!! which is a pretty ridiculous comment, that shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone, for hopefully obvious reasons.


86mil in a short run so tactics aren't at their peak. Also it doesn't appear to include ascendancy implants. And it is from the time where hyperspatial rigs had CPU as a drawback (huge drawback!). His fit probably isn't completely min/maxed (I would guess a nano/istab or two would help, or maybe a warp speed lowslot. I would have to run a lot of missions to find out). also has a few implant slots empty. I think someone was claiming to match/beat his times in a tengu in some other thread but I'd have to dig for it.

to reduce from it however LP values have slid a bit, so overall I'm not sure where it ends up. Like I said earlier I never tried to replicate the lv3 results. I have thought about doing a cov-ops cloak variant in lowsec, or maybe a bubble immune cov ops out in null, as there are some attractive LP store and system combos.

This thread has to do with Lv3s. And part of lv3s is the fact that they don't have burners.

Regarding the not believing I can hold 200mill/h indefinitely, well that's just your special kind of ignorance. Nothing I can do about that.

Ahhh, so English isn't your second language, and thus the word 'doable' is unknown. I guess you also didn't notice that the thing you are talking about is a link to a post that is not mine...

Amazing, I bet it was interesting teaching you how to tie your shoes lol.

Well when blitzing lv4s definitely. Lv3s can be a bit different depending on what your goals are. If you just want to grind standing so you can get to lv 4s or even when grinding for faction standing you'd want to do most missions (hence why its called a grind). Blitzing usually requires faction standing to be above the level of the missions you want to run (3 in the case of lv3 missions). So long as your faciton standing is above that level you can decline missions up until you agent standings drop below -2. then you have a bit of a problem so try not to do that. It's a lot easier with lv4s because, again, burners. They buff your agent standings big time.

That said even for grindings there might be one or two missions I'd decline depending on what ships I have available or am in at the moment. My loki I used for lv3 blitzing/grinding for example had some trouble with blockade and some of the gurista missions (jams woo...) and of course you want to skip missions against the empire factions regardless. If I have rattler available I'd run those for example.

Tsk, tsk. A seasoned veteran like yourself saying things like this? Do you mean Lv3 missions or any missions including lv4s?

As to the items, well thats simple; SOE, Thukker and probably lower quantity implants from various corps that are the only source for those implants. I can walk you through the whole process if you want, hold your hand to the promised land as it were and my rates are very reasonable.

LOL, some no body alt offering to hold the hand of DMC...

He is saying the same thing I am, and others like Stoic have. Everyone says Isk/Hour when they mean Asset Generation/Hour because they all ignore every other time sink involved.

When you are trying to get hard numbers like you are and you get up to **** once every other hour from all the Red Bull and Coffee you need to stay upright running missions all day, you are losing isk.

He is saying that the LP market has been decimated. SoE items now in volume are dipping under 1700. Sure you can cherry pick a couple of low volume high ratio items and declare victory in your argument. But long-term mass sustainable LP numbers are down so much these claims are hilarious.

It's not that I don't believe you, but considering how adamant you are, how about you give us some evidence? The 86 mil/hr was based on very ideal and manipulated conditions and he wasn't getting the conversion you probably are.

Also, lol and McAlt calling you an alt.

Ok, well the guy you originally linked to was getting 2000lp/isk and was only breaking 86mil on some very favorable conditions. Stoic, the guy you linked before even admitted this wasn't isk per hour but asset generation per hour because he didn't factor time in to resupply ammo, convert LP, sell on market or the cost of market orders.

Like Lloyd, I would love to see you break it down, screenshots and spreadsheets my friend.



Oh yeah, But I am not just an alt... I am the prime Market McSelling Alt!

This thread is about level 3s