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On Kim and Ruil

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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#101 - 2015-10-14 19:14:51 UTC
Yup, she's definitely not right in the head...

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2015-10-15 01:20:35 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Yup, she's definitely not right in the head...


Not right in the head, immature, thin-skinned, probably hates herself, thinks the universe revolves around her (har har har), in denial, projects herself onto people alot, probably has self-image issues and hates herself, can't comprehend the Pi, flies Atrons and Tristans and Confessors and Daredevils than bona-fide Caldari vessels and is terrible with whatever Caldari vessel she CAN fly.....

Just look around, search through publicly available records, and you can see exactly what I am talking about.

She's tries to be Heth v 2.0 but she's so much less effectual about it.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#103 - 2015-10-15 03:45:21 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
flies Atrons and Tristans and Confessors and Daredevils than bona-fide Caldari vessels and is terrible with whatever Caldari vessel she CAN fly....


What's so horrible about using another race's ship designs? Less than a third of my ships are Matari, A lot of my hanger is littered with Slicers, Apocalypses, Ishtars, Vexors, Hecates, and Kestrals next to my Wolves, Firetails, Thrashers and Tempests. Its not a matter of what's better in general its a matter of what's best for the situation. After all, good luck bringing a scimitar to an armor tempest fleet. Every other point you made I'm not arguing, but really? How can you tell that the ships she flies weren't made by Caldari hands? Blueprints for foreign ship designs aren't exactly hard to get...
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#104 - 2015-10-15 03:49:51 UTC
I'd love to use gank Cruors, but thrashers are just better. Don't hate the pilot, hate the proverbial game.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2015-10-15 06:19:14 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
flies Atrons and Tristans and Confessors and Daredevils than bona-fide Caldari vessels and is terrible with whatever Caldari vessel she CAN fly....


What's so horrible about using another race's ship designs? Less than a third of my ships are Matari, A lot of my hanger is littered with Slicers, Apocalypses, Ishtars, Vexors, Hecates, and Kestrals next to my Wolves, Firetails, Thrashers and Tempests. Its not a matter of what's better in general its a matter of what's best for the situation. After all, good luck bringing a scimitar to an armor tempest fleet. Every other point you made I'm not arguing, but really? How can you tell that the ships she flies weren't made by Caldari hands? Blueprints for foreign ship designs aren't exactly hard to get...


Because she claims Caldari superiority but does not demonstrate it?

It's the hypocrisy inherent in her claims that I'm criticising.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Wendrika Hydreiga
#106 - 2015-10-15 10:27:52 UTC
I don't always fly Guristas ships, so does that make me a bad Guristas Pirate?

I thought so too!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#107 - 2015-10-15 17:18:43 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
flies Atrons and Tristans and Confessors and Daredevils than bona-fide Caldari vessels and is terrible with whatever Caldari vessel she CAN fly....


What's so horrible about using another race's ship designs? Less than a third of my ships are Matari, A lot of my hanger is littered with Slicers, Apocalypses, Ishtars, Vexors, Hecates, and Kestrals next to my Wolves, Firetails, Thrashers and Tempests. Its not a matter of what's better in general its a matter of what's best for the situation. After all, good luck bringing a scimitar to an armor tempest fleet. Every other point you made I'm not arguing, but really? How can you tell that the ships she flies weren't made by Caldari hands? Blueprints for foreign ship designs aren't exactly hard to get...

You see, basically it comes down to "Egivandian" logic in style of "your argument about A is invalid, because in unrelated to A situation B you were using ship C".

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#108 - 2015-10-15 17:43:17 UTC
My humble opinion Matari ships are the best. That doesn't mean that other races' ships don't have their place and thus should be ignored. What my wolf excells at my slicer wouldn't last very long in. I still prefer my wolf but having something designed to act as heavy tackle (my usual load out anyways) would generally lose against something designed to stay out of my range, like most slicera I face are. Either way I don't see how just because, for anyone who mainly flies in combat situations, they would limit them selves because "this ship I'm flying which is not designed for what I'm trying to do is better because its Matari designed in origin." Again I'm not saying your other points are invalid, just that that particular one is more less clutching straws.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#109 - 2015-10-16 19:55:05 UTC
So I notice that, despite having given Kim a litterbox, she still leaves **** in every topic.

You should have anticipated this Makoto
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#110 - 2015-10-16 20:11:23 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
So I notice that, despite having given Kim a litterbox, she still leaves **** in every topic.

You should have anticipated this Makoto



Mm. I'd only hoped to pull existing discussions into this thread, so the other topics could get back on track.

It lasted a little while.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#111 - 2015-10-16 20:38:41 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
My humble opinion Matari ships are the best. That doesn't mean that other races' ships don't have their place and thus should be ignored. What my wolf excells at my slicer wouldn't last very long in. I still prefer my wolf but having something designed to act as heavy tackle (my usual load out anyways) would generally lose against something designed to stay out of my range, like most slicera I face are. Either way I don't see how just because, for anyone who mainly flies in combat situations, they would limit them selves because "this ship I'm flying which is not designed for what I'm trying to do is better because its Matari designed in origin." Again I'm not saying your other points are invalid, just that that particular one is more less clutching straws.


In my experience, so long as you have ships that fill the right slots, it's mostly about how you fly them in conjunction with your squadron mates and far less about the percentage point differences the various races ships have in whichever categories.

I've never felt inferior to my Matari counterpart in any engagement, in any role, simply because of their ship capabilities.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Wendrika Hydreiga
#112 - 2015-10-16 20:58:00 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Mm. I'd only hoped to pull existing discussions into this thread, so the other topics could get back on track.

It lasted a little while.


At least you tried Miss Priano! It was a good effort.

Maybe now things can go back to what they used to!
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#113 - 2015-10-16 21:14:17 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
My humble opinion Matari ships are the best. That doesn't mean that other races' ships don't have their place and thus should be ignored. What my wolf excells at my slicer wouldn't last very long in. I still prefer my wolf but having something designed to act as heavy tackle (my usual load out anyways) would generally lose against something designed to stay out of my range, like most slicera I face are. Either way I don't see how just because, for anyone who mainly flies in combat situations, they would limit them selves because "this ship I'm flying which is not designed for what I'm trying to do is better because its Matari designed in origin." Again I'm not saying your other points are invalid, just that that particular one is more less clutching straws.


In my experience, so long as you have ships that fill the right slots, it's mostly about how you fly them in conjunction with your squadron mates and far less about the percentage point differences the various races ships have in whichever categories.

I've never felt inferior to my Matari counterpart in any engagement, in any role, simply because of their ship capabilities.


I was more going along the lines (at least with my example) your not going to do very well in a slower, close range combat ship against a long range combat ship designed for speed in a one v one scenario unless (as you said) pilot skill gave one an advantage via placement on the battlefield, ect., or you landed a warp scrambler on it before they could get into position. Matari ships would be best to me because a lot of them cater to my own strengths and preferences (by rights I would throw Harpies and Enyos into the best category for the same reasons).
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2015-10-17 03:16:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
flies Atrons and Tristans and Confessors and Daredevils than bona-fide Caldari vessels and is terrible with whatever Caldari vessel she CAN fly....


What's so horrible about using another race's ship designs? Less than a third of my ships are Matari, A lot of my hanger is littered with Slicers, Apocalypses, Ishtars, Vexors, Hecates, and Kestrals next to my Wolves, Firetails, Thrashers and Tempests. Its not a matter of what's better in general its a matter of what's best for the situation. After all, good luck bringing a scimitar to an armor tempest fleet. Every other point you made I'm not arguing, but really? How can you tell that the ships she flies weren't made by Caldari hands? Blueprints for foreign ship designs aren't exactly hard to get...

You see, basically it comes down to "Egivandian" logic in style of "your argument about A is invalid, because in unrelated to A situation B you were using ship C".


No, my logic about your superiority goes this way instead:

I declare A is superior.

I use products of A and lose them constantly. I use B.

So tell me now. Can you still declare that A is superior if your ACTIONS doesn't prove it? If A is superior you would be using A almost exclusively.

I had explained to her exactly why I criticise your usage of those ships instead of exclusively Caldari ship as below:

Elmund Egivand wrote:


Because she claims Caldari superiority but does not demonstrate it?

It's the hypocrisy inherent in her claims that I'm criticising.


Don't even think to try to quote things out of context, because I will look back and set the records straight.

Come on now. Change the subject. I know you want to.

Deitra Vess wrote:


I was more going along the lines (at least with my example) your not going to do very well in a slower, close range combat ship against a long range combat ship designed for speed in a one v one scenario unless (as you said) pilot skill gave one an advantage via placement on the battlefield, ect., or you landed a warp scrambler on it before they could get into position. Matari ships would be best to me because a lot of them cater to my own strengths and preferences (by rights I would throw Harpies and Enyos into the best category for the same reasons).


It's all about 'fit for purpose'. Being a privateer, I need a ship that's agile, survivable and hits hard. As it turns out, Matari vessels happen to tick all three boxes.

Though some ships do have inherent flaws in their design.

Take for example the Rifter. The Rifter is currently in a strange place. She can't quite scram-kite as well as a Breacher due to the Breacher's faster natural speed and stable damage application up to 10km if rockets. She can't quite signature-tank as well as a Slasher, which has a smaller signature radius and a much better speed, plus improved tracking. Thus, unless the pilot plots deceit, there really isn't a compelling practical reason to fly a Rifter.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#115 - 2015-10-17 14:47:32 UTC
Nobody cares what you have to say Egivand, you filthy Gallentean lapdog! You're just attempting to smear a perfectly capable Caldari officer, with fable without any factual basis. Such subversive tactics will not work!
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#116 - 2015-10-17 14:51:50 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nobody cares what you have to say Egivand, you filthy Gallentean lapdog! You're just attempting to smear a perfectly capable Caldari officer, with fable without any factual basis. Such subversive tactics will not work!


You sound remarkably like Kim.

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#117 - 2015-10-17 14:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Makoto Priano wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nobody cares what you have to say Egivand, you filthy Gallentean lapdog! You're just attempting to smear a perfectly capable Caldari officer, with fable without any factual basis. Such subversive tactics will not work!


You sound remarkably like Kim.


The Gallenteans have proven time and time again that nothing is too underhanded from them. Their main weapon seems to be empty talking, and this is why the Federation will be destroyed.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2015-10-17 16:50:29 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nobody cares what you have to say Egivand, you filthy Gallentean lapdog! You're just attempting to smear a perfectly capable Caldari officer, with fable without any factual basis. Such subversive tactics will not work!


You sound remarkably like Kim.


The Gallenteans have proven time and time again that nothing is too underhanded from them. Their main weapon seems to be empty talking, and this is why the Federation will be destroyed.


Which is not my problem. I just find some other employer or move into a different profession.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#119 - 2015-10-17 18:42:35 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nobody cares what you have to say Egivand, you filthy Gallentean lapdog! You're just attempting to smear a perfectly capable Caldari officer, with fable without any factual basis. Such subversive tactics will not work!

Gods and spirits please, not another one... Roll

Is it troll week or something?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#120 - 2015-10-17 19:04:30 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Nobody cares what you have to say Egivand, you filthy Gallentean lapdog! You're just attempting to smear a perfectly capable Caldari officer, with fable without any factual basis. Such subversive tactics will not work!

Gods and spirits please, not another one... Roll

Is it troll week or something?

I feel like someone attempted to cast as spell to bring Heth back, but all we got were these fizzled imitations.