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On Kim and Ruil

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Wendrika Hydreiga
#81 - 2015-10-14 15:26:54 UTC
But Mister Onzo! Aside from Miss Kim, there is only a handful of people that can be considered "loyal to the State". Most of the Caldari people I've met so far are either neutral towards the conflict or just mercenaries. Which is a shame really, because everyone wanting to get along gets boring super fast!

Miss Priano is not a bad person and she does a lot of science! Except that one time I was promised a shinny Entosis Link II, but aside from that she is impecable! Of course, she does work with all sorts of wierd people. Like Mister Anslo for example. But I honestly have no idea why Miss Kim hates her so much.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2015-10-14 15:28:32 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
But Mister Onzo! Aside from Miss Kim, there is only a handful of people that can be considered "loyal to the State". Most of the Caldari people I've met so far are either neutral towards the conflict or just mercenaries. Which is a shame really, because everyone wanting to get along gets boring super fast!

Miss Priano is not a bad person and she does a lot of science! Except that one time I was promised a shinny Entosis Link II, but aside from that she is impecable! Of course, she does work with all sorts of wierd people. Like Mister Anslo for example. But I honestly have no idea why Miss Kim hates her so much.


If you read that thread that Kim loves to allude to so much, it's because Priano refused to go along with whatever she wanted. She threw a tantrum.

Like a little girl.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#83 - 2015-10-14 15:32:06 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:

Miss Priano is not a bad person and she does a lot of science! Except that one time I was promised a shinny Entosis Link II, but aside from that she is impecable! Of course, she does work with all sorts of wierd people. Like Mister Anslo for example. But I honestly have no idea why Miss Kim hates her so much.


Apologies for that. If I'm recalling correctly, Borkstar was promising my production without my consent; however, some Entosis Links, both basic and advanced technology, were distributed during our initial run of link testing. If indeed I had made this offer, I'll happily provide a link and my apologies for the oversight.

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Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#84 - 2015-10-14 15:33:49 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
But Mister Onzo! Aside from Miss Kim, there is only a handful of people that can be considered "loyal to the State". Most of the Caldari people I've met so far are either neutral towards the conflict or just mercenaries. Which is a shame really, because everyone wanting to get along gets boring super fast!

Miss Priano is not a bad person and she does a lot of science! Except that one time I was promised a shinny Entosis Link II, but aside from that she is impecable! Of course, she does work with all sorts of wierd people. Like Mister Anslo for example. But I honestly have no idea why Miss Kim hates her so much.



Funny as I've met a few passionately loyal Caldari citizens who, while employed in business elsewhere, do still hold on to the State's interests. I haven't heard from them if they're for or against Ms Kim's motion but I'll be sure to ask them!

But anyways I was more interested in Ms Kim's reply. She still has one final recorse for personal restitution and that would be to create a corporation and wardec IKAME and find satisfaction from combat in space without CONCORD interference. Would she be willing to take up that option? I don't know, but for now I remain unconvinced that Ms Priano is someone I can't have business with.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2015-10-14 15:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldfinch
Officer Kim,

With all due respect to your service as an ally of Amarr.. it seems unbecoming of an honorable soldier such as yourself to criticize IKAME in regards to a matter of a War Declaration when you yourself are not exposed in any way to that danger.

It could be said that you are throwing stones from a place of complete safety. Before you argue that you have Gallente and Matari Factional Wartargets, we must point out that you are not exposed to aggression in the same way as IKAME is.

Your criticism would only be appropriate if you put yourself in the braver position of being exposed to a War Declaration too. Anything less makes it seem like your arguments do not come from pure conviction and nationalism that your passion seems to indicate, because you hide from retaliation in an unassailable Non War-Declarable Corporation.

\J/

veiled and bound

my origin story (on eve-backstage)

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#86 - 2015-10-14 15:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalaratiri
Utari Onzo wrote:

Funny as I've met a few passionately loyal Caldari citizens who, while employed in business elsewhere, do still hold on to the State's interests. I haven't heard from them if they're for or against Ms Kim's motion but I'll be sure to ask them!


For the record, most of us here at PY-RE think she's batshit mad.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#87 - 2015-10-14 15:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Yarosara Ruil wrote:
Not satisfied with actively provoking me, someone felt obligated to run my good name through the mud.

Since the first moment, I've been compared to the Strike Commander, as if complete loyalty to the State was her trademark and nobody else should attempt it.

I am not to blame for whatever transgressions you might think Commander Kim inflicted on you all, nor am I to be treated like I was her proxy. I am my own person, following my own creeds and values. If you object me as an individual, you are free to do so, but trying to "talk me out" as if that would change anything, will only show how much of a fool you are.

I will not pretend I like Pirate scum or Gallente filth for the sake of political correctness or to avoid raising tension. We are at war, and I will not suffer their presence quietly. If you can't accept this, or would rather hold hands with murderers and criminals in harmony, that is your choice to make. I've made my choice already on this matter.

Provoke me, and I'll reply in kind. Attack me, and I'll retaliate. Do me wrong, and I'll do whatever I can to see justice is met.

Makoto Priano, the actions you and your associates made against me have humiliated me deeply. This is unforgivable and it will not stand. For now, I'll disregard your existance and contributions completely, in respect to your request. I will not bother you or associates in public feeds any further.

But know this. One day my training will be over, and when that day comes, I'm coming for your head. And neither diplomacy nor words will save you. This I vow.


Ruil, let me clarify.

In this thread, I made no explicit statement about you as a person; instead, I merely attempted to redirect conversations from other threads to this one, given that those other threads needed to return to their original topic, per the thread creators.

I do have some issues with your characterization of the situation, Ms. Kim, and of our interactions. In the first place, the general issue I have at present is that you are demanding respect on laurels we cannot verify, on a record that exists outside the Capsuleer sphere, and in a forum almost wholly dominated by Capsuleers of various degrees of experience, while giving very little respect in turn. Your service to the State is of course commendable, but you must remember that those here have laurels more readily known, more recent, and possibly more relevant. What's more, you must remember, pilot Ruil, that the State is a consortium of megacorporations; so long as one serves a megacorporation's interests loyally and well, and not at the detriment of the State, then one serves the State. To shed corporate association and claim to be higher than others by serving the State as a whole-- it's laudable in parts, and treacherous in others. That is the path Heth went down when he nearly bankrupted KK, when he ordered the destruction of the very world we've fought and strived to regain these many years, when he attempted to call a general uprising against the very body of the State, when he and those with him stole Navy assets, ultimately weakening the State because he thought that the megacorporations were a detriment rather than a strength.

My constant fear is that Kim follows Heth's example, and would sacrifice the State to save it from those who don't share her zeal and genocidal tendencies. Kim does great service in the warzone, which I freely acknowledge. But there is a real danger that she will go from being a red-faced polemic to an actual threat to the State, and she'll feel herself righteous while doing so.

We citizens of the State grow strong by competition and conflict. Sometimes, this appears to be fractiousness. This is not disservice unless we indeed do harm to the State, or its citizens.

What's more, yes, you are being associated with her, because your views in many cases seem to echo hers. You are a recent addition to this forum. Your first impressions were a call for a war you yourself could not prosecute and frankly could not be prosecuted by anyone, and stating boldly that the death of a thousand Matari is better than that of a single Caldari, which is a degree of callousness from which it is impossible to recover diplomatically.

There is an old saying about an iron fist in a velvet glove. This requires both iron fist and velvet glove. Kim has forgotten the velvet; you appear to have as well. Let us remember that both are necessary; without Heth's iron, we would not have regained Caldari Prime. Without Ishukone's velvet, however, we would have lost it completely again, where now we still hold the majority of the world, and more securely than before.

As for the hilarity of you both saying that you'll only respond to our provocations, attacks, wrongs, etc, and then threatening to hunt me down...

Well, k.

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Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#88 - 2015-10-14 17:08:52 UTC
I remember the best pies came from Pluck'e Cheese's, I remember getting lost in the ball pit there for hours. But that animatronic furrier mascot always terrified me.

Oh, are we not talking about pizza anymore?
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#89 - 2015-10-14 17:13:34 UTC
Just to overstep my boundaries a little bit and probably reiterate what Ms. Priano already stated:

Ms. Ruil,

This isn't the battlefield. To use myself as an example I conduct myself alot less civil on the battlefield (PIE and PYRE probably would attest to that) than here. Harbor bad feelings towards someone else or their culture? That's great, as do alot of people here. Does everyone go about showing it? No, because not everyone hates the same people as you or shares your beliefs, thus why put a target on your own back? If you never made a comment about my people I would have honestly ignored ya. If you didn't introduce yourself as having an abrasive personality I would imagine few people would give half the responses they have thus far. In conclusion words can be as devastating as bullets only they backfire more often.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#90 - 2015-10-14 17:33:45 UTC
Oh great...not only do we have Kim-baka in here now we have Kim Light. Gods and spirits protect us.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#91 - 2015-10-14 17:50:25 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
I conduct myself alot less civil on the battlefield (PIE and PYRE probably would attest to that) than here.

I've flown with you on the battlefield. You conduct yourself as civilly as one would expect, but the battlefield isn't a place that encourages kindness.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#92 - 2015-10-14 17:53:42 UTC
I'd like to note, that only idiots would think that I name those who I am not agree with as "enemies". It is a common attack vector on Caldari State officer by a gallentean propagandists, pouring out obvious lies.

Any thinking person who can read and comprehend would easily find that these lies are simply fiction, made up by forum trolls.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#93 - 2015-10-14 18:00:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Utari Onzo wrote:

But anyways I was more interested in Ms Kim's reply. She still has one final recorse for personal restitution and that would be to create a corporation and wardec IKAME and find satisfaction from combat in space without CONCORD interference. Would she be willing to take up that option? I don't know, but for now I remain unconvinced that Ms Priano is someone I can't have business with.

Mr. Onzo, please excuse me for my rude language, but this offer is outright stupid.
I have offered them to solve it in any combat they would see fit, they have declined.
They have shown their cowardice and I don't think like I would like to waste my time chasing cowards who would never undock anyway. I prefer to destroy enemies who represent way greater threat than this Makoto.

With Makoto I will fight on her battlefield - where she has chosen to publically lie about me, I will keep reminding everyone that she is a honorless liar, luckily, unlike her tantrums, my words are based on facts and her transgressions were recorded.

Goldfinch wrote:
Officer Kim,
With all due respect to your service as an ally of Amarr.. it seems unbecoming of an honorable soldier such as yourself to criticize IKAME in regards to a matter of a War Declaration when you yourself are not exposed in any way to that danger.

It could be said that you are throwing stones from a place of complete safety. Before you argue that you have Gallente and Matari Factional Wartargets, we must point out that you are not exposed to aggression in the same way as IKAME is.

Your criticism would only be appropriate if you put yourself in the braver position of being exposed to a War Declaration too. Anything less makes it seem like your arguments do not come from pure conviction and nationalism that your passion seems to indicate, because you hide from retaliation in an unassailable Non War-Declarable Corporation.

I have answered this just above.
With all due respect... I don't think it is WISE blaming one who is currently at war with two whole nations and multitude of other capsuleers in being not brave by comparing them to a corporation led by a coward, who couldn't even come to duel.
Just as it is incredibly unwise claiming I would HIDE from anything. I am currently in low security space and anyone could fight me should they wish so.

With thus I would demand you, Ms. Goldfinch, to cease spreading ignorance like that about my person at once, as it stands as a borderline lie about Caldari State officer. This time I will let it go, but should I hear something like that in the future, I will question your honor and loyalty.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#94 - 2015-10-14 18:12:34 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I will keep reminding everyone that she is a honorless liar, luckily, unlike her tantrums, my words are based on facts and her transgressions were recorded.

I think you got podded one too many times. You're getting your roles reversed.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Wendrika Hydreiga
#95 - 2015-10-14 18:14:07 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Apologies for that. If I'm recalling correctly, Borkstar was promising my production without my consent; however, some Entosis Links, both basic and advanced technology, were distributed during our initial run of link testing. If indeed I had made this offer, I'll happily provide a link and my apologies for the oversight.


No worries Miss Priano! We had already settle the matter before, and I am not upset in the slightest. Mister Borkstar is the one to blame and he will get his just desserts! I was just giving everyone some context, that's all!

What sort of horrible person would I be to make a grudge over something so minor!
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#96 - 2015-10-14 18:22:46 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
I conduct myself alot less civil on the battlefield (PIE and PYRE probably would attest to that) than here.

I've flown with you on the battlefield. You conduct yourself as civilly as one would expect, but the battlefield isn't a place that encourages kindness.


I usually don't try to say much, they don't deserve a response generally. There's been times however.... Reminding them of their dead empress for instance.... My actual beliefs on that aren't really in line with my taunting but I won't waste everyone's time explaining that. And no, being courteous and such on the battlefields kinda' a no no.

Blink
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#97 - 2015-10-14 18:27:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
For the record, Kim has referenced her delusional declaration a total of 11 times since the thread's original creation a year ago; references may be provided.

She declares that I am honorless and a liar because:

1) I have called and continue to call her a madwoman, a matter on which a large number of other Caldari agree. Admittedly, I am not a licensed clinical psychiatrist, but for purposes of informal declaration I think I'm on fair grounds.

2) I called her a Provist. She disagrees because she was never in the Providence Directorate, despite that she has declared she wishes she had been in the Directorate, actively and continues to support the outlaw Heth, and demonstrates the rabid, divisive, genocidal tendencies of Provists. Needless to say, to say this is a lie on my part is the hilarious, most flimsy grounds I can imagine. It's splitting hairs, and declaring that because the hair could be split at all, the statement is categorically false.

3) I joked with a friend about Kim's choice of vessel when she was at the breakout attempt by Heth's forces at Haatomo station. Needless to say, the jokes and banter about Kim being there with logistics to support Heth's ships, or flying a Dominix, are something most pilots would consider too light a matter to take lasting offense over, much less in so obsessive a fashion. Clearly, jokes at Kim's expense make one an enemy of the State.

Frankly, for all that she says that I'm worthless, beneath her notice, etc, the sheer scale of her obsession is plain to see. That I chose to mock her for that silly, senseless challenge to a duel, well-- evidently she continues to take it very personally.

In any case, I digress. Meetings to tend to, and I need to get back to operational planning.

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State Protectorate
Caldari State
#98 - 2015-10-14 18:28:48 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:

As for the hilarity of you both saying that you'll only respond to our provocations, attacks, wrongs, etc, and then threatening to hunt me down...

Preemptive attack is a valid response on a provocation.
Although I wouldn't waste my time of hunting cowards.
Doesn't mean I won't launch a bolt right through your pod if I will have a chance and will have a mood for that.

Besides, from the ongoing conversation I'd offer to rename the thread to "On Makoto Priano." I guess the author has deserved her persona a bit attention instead of trying to discuss such boring soldier as myself, right?

Oh, and speaking about laurels.
Ms. Priano, you have earned yourself rather a thick laurel wreath with inscription bands "Liar", "Coward" and "Disgrace". Wear it with pride.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#99 - 2015-10-14 18:45:41 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:

1) I have called and continue to call her a madwoman, a matter on which a large number of other Caldari agree. Admittedly, I am not a licensed clinical psychiatrist, but for purposes of informal declaration I think I'm on fair grounds.

Which is obvious lie, that any professional psychiatrist will prove. Of course, Priano neither looks as one, nor could provide any argument and uses word "madwoman" as insult. Obviously, other Caldari wouldn't agree with it, provided they won't be complete idiots.
Blaming Caldari Officer like that is insult both to Caldari military and Caldari medical personnel, who are responsible for our health. Such words gives advantage only to gallenteans.

Makoto Priano wrote:

2) I called her a Provist. She disagrees because she was never in the Providence Directorate, despite that she has declared she wishes had been in the Directorate, actively and continues to support the outlaw Heth, and demonstrates the rabid, divisive, genocidal tendencies of Provists. Needless to say, to say this is a lie on my part is the hilarious, most flimsy grounds I can imagine. It's splitting hairs, and declaring that because the hair could be split at all, the statement is categorically false.

1. Indeed, I never was Provist, yet this liar still calls me that, considering it would be "bad". No, Provists were the best of Caldari, but regardless, Makoto is a liar.
2. Tibus Heth was the greatest Caldari Hero, that every real Caldari respects.
3. Priano is lying again, showing her ignorance and claiming I "support" him, since Tibus Heth long died as a hero in fight against Sansha in Aivonen. At the moment my allegiance belongs only to Caldari State as a whole, Caldari State Protectorate and CMC. Looks like Priano is ignorant about this part as well.
4. Priano lies again like I would show "genocidal tendencies". It is a typical gallente form of propaganda, and such her proclamations give me idea that her allegiance is to our common enemy.

Makoto Priano wrote:

3) I joked with a friend about Kim's choice of vessel when she was at the breakout attempt by Heth's forces at Haatomo station. Needless to say, the jokes and banter about Kim being there with logistics to support Heth's ships, or flying a Dominix, are something most pilots would consider too light a matter to take lasting offense over, much less in so obsessive a fashion. Clearly, jokes at Kim's expense make one an enemy of the State.

Any lie remains lie. Makoto was confronted about her lie and instead of acting with honor, explaining the joke and bringing apologies, she insisted on her lies, showing that she would prefer to loudmouth Caldari military personnel and stand against them, like a gallente would do.

Makoto Priano wrote:

Frankly, for all that she says that I'm worthless, beneath her notice, etc, the sheer scale of her obsession is plain to see. That I chose to mock her for that silly, senseless challenge to a duel, well-- evidently she continues to take it very personally.

In any case, I digress. Meetings to tend to, and I need to get back to operational planning.

Seeking and destruction of enemies of the State is my personal responsibility to the State.
Since you have shown yourself as uncompromising hostile on multiple occasions you really should expect that I will reply to you as you have earned it. As to an enemy. As to honorless and disgraced person. As to a liar. As to one, whose action damage the State and help Gallentes.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#100 - 2015-10-14 18:52:08 UTC
And there you have it, folks.

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