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On Kim and Ruil

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#61 - 2015-10-14 07:33:12 UTC
Sylphy Mochizuki wrote:
Mr. Egivand, please don't encourage this.

Mr. Egivand is a gallentean lapdog, who simply spreads gallentean propaganda about Caldari officers. His words has no ground and were targeted only to defame Caldari State and its defenders by means of ridiculous lies.

Sylphy Mochizuki wrote:
Miss Kim, until such time as the state denounces her, she is Caldari and should be given due civility by fellow citizens of the state. I'm fairly certain that it is beyond your pay grade to decide the status of her citizenship and pilots license. Please desist in this pointless and shameful argument.

Does the State need to "denounce" every low level criminal for us to engage them?
Does the State need to "denounce" every gurista, every gallentean supporter, every FDU member for us to engage them and kill?
They are enemies of the State by what they do, not by what the State tells us they are.

She has shown her hostility towards Caldari State and our military forces. She has shown her lack of honor that every Caldari should have. Considering her as a Caldari is damaging to the image of good Caldari citizens. It is the same as saying Jita scammers in Jita are Caldari. Everyone should know who she is, and there is nothing wrong in pointing and shaming those, who try to deceive others.

I am not the one who works with papers, ma'am.
I am the one who seeks out and confronts enemies of the State.
By any means necessary.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2015-10-14 07:39:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
The only Caldari 'officer' I crap on is you.

You. Just you. Nobody else but you.

And maybe Ruil but she hasn't gone the mile like you did yet.

You are the least respectable Caldari I have ever encountered.

Yes, you are even less respectable than the standard privateers I run into and shot at. You are beneath even the pirates who show up to crash the party every so often. The only persons I have more contempt for are privateers who nodded off while contesting a complex.

Seriously. I am expected to respect a Caldari 'officer' who showed up in my dock when I was servicing my Talwar to interrupt my work by getting naked and all that? Yes. I am very well aware what your intentions are and I had no intention of playing along. That is why I let you just kick my arse, just as I challenged you to, literally and get out.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#63 - 2015-10-14 08:10:18 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

You are the least respectable Caldari I have ever encountered.

Least respectable for YOU maybe, but not for other Caldari, obviously.
Well, you aren't respectable at all from our point of view as well. A pirate, a gallentean pet dog, a liar, and a coward. There's absolutely nothing in you to be respected.

Elmund Egivand wrote:

Seriously. I am expected to respect a Caldari 'officer' who showed up in my dock when I was servicing my Talwar to interrupt my work by getting naked and all that?

As I said.
Liar.

And after such words would anyone believe anything you would say? I really doubt it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2015-10-14 08:48:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

You are the least respectable Caldari I have ever encountered.

Least respectable for YOU maybe, but not for other Caldari, obviously.
Well, you aren't respectable at all from our point of view as well. A pirate, a gallentean pet dog, a liar, and a coward. There's absolutely nothing in you to be respected.

Elmund Egivand wrote:

Seriously. I am expected to respect a Caldari 'officer' who showed up in my dock when I was servicing my Talwar to interrupt my work by getting naked and all that?

As I said.
Liar.

And after such words would anyone believe anything you would say? I really doubt it.


Where is your counter argument? Can you recall the exact details of that encounter and use it to refute my statements?

You are pathetic, and you need to look closely at yourself at the mirror, unless you hate yourself so much you threw all your mirrors out a long time ago.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#65 - 2015-10-14 08:54:02 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Where is your counter argument? Can you recall the exact details of that encounter and use it to refute my statements?

You are pathetic, and you need to look closely at yourself at the mirror, unless you hate yourself so much you threw all your mirrors out a long time ago.

I don't actually have to counter argument any of your sick imaginations. It is you are ridiculous and pathetic for coming with that in first place.

It is amusing how your primitive tribal brain can't comprehend yet that if you are to blame someone in doing something it is your responsibility to bring proofs. Otherwise you just look like a clown. Or like a tiny dog barking at huge elephant.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2015-10-14 09:06:27 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Where is your counter argument? Can you recall the exact details of that encounter and use it to refute my statements?

You are pathetic, and you need to look closely at yourself at the mirror, unless you hate yourself so much you threw all your mirrors out a long time ago.

I don't actually have to counter argument any of your sick imaginations. It is you are ridiculous and pathetic for coming with that in first place.

It is amusing how your primitive tribal brain can't comprehend yet that if you are to blame someone in doing something it is your responsibility to bring proofs. Otherwise you just look like a clown. Or like a tiny dog barking at huge elephant.


And there you go projecting yourself on others again.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#67 - 2015-10-14 09:17:10 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

And there you go projecting yourself on others again.

And there you go hallucinating about me again.

I just don't understand, is it because you are trying to hide your cowardice that way? At first you was all like 'I will return and fight you', and now you have degraded to ridiculously stupid lies about me. What's your purpose anyway? To grow yourself a clown nose? I heard there was some sort of fairytale about a boy, whose nose was growing each time he was lying. I guess in your case it would be becoming not just larger, but more round and red.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2015-10-14 09:24:51 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

And there you go projecting yourself on others again.

And there you go hallucinating about me again.

I just don't understand, is it because you are trying to hide your cowardice that way? At first you was all like 'I will return and fight you', and now you have degraded to ridiculously stupid lies about me. What's your purpose anyway? To grow yourself a clown nose? I heard there was some sort of fairytale about a boy, whose nose was growing each time he was lying. I guess in your case it would be becoming not just larger, but more round and red.


Let me make this clear.

You annoy me. You are the complete opposite of everything I can respect in a person.

Also I am very, very bored.

So I'm going to constantly poke you, over and over and over again, until I get something better to do with the time I currently have.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#69 - 2015-10-14 09:35:58 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Let me make this clear.

You annoy me. You are the complete opposite of everything I can respect in a person.

Truth and persistence can be annoying, right.
Though your annoyance is not my concern. I fight for creatures like you cease to exist, for the sake of the whole world and humanity in it. If it makes you cringe and writhe, so let it be.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2015-10-14 09:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Let me make this clear.

You annoy me. You are the complete opposite of everything I can respect in a person.

Truth and persistence can be annoying, right.
Though your annoyance is not my concern. I fight for creatures like you cease to exist, for the sake of the whole world and humanity in it. If it makes you cringe and writhe, so let it be.


Says the one who is writhing under her own skin, since you keep responding with no evidence, facts and even more grandstanding in hopes of distracting others from seeing the flaws that are so clearly etched on your very face.

How does it feel, to have somebody constantly shredding figurative skin so thin it tears with the slightest provocation?

And finally, quote the whole thing unless you are admitting to hiding the context. Like so:

Elmund Egivand wrote:


Let me make this clear.

You annoy me. You are the complete opposite of everything I can respect in a person.

Also I am very, very bored.

So I'm going to constantly poke you, over and over and over again, until I get something better to do with the time I currently have.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#71 - 2015-10-14 10:30:17 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Sylphy Mochizuki wrote:
Mr. Egivand, please don't encourage this.

Mr. Egivand is a gallentean lapdog, who simply spreads gallentean propaganda about Caldari officers. His words has no ground and were targeted only to defame Caldari State and its defenders by means of ridiculous lies.

Sylphy Mochizuki wrote:
Miss Kim, until such time as the state denounces her, she is Caldari and should be given due civility by fellow citizens of the state. I'm fairly certain that it is beyond your pay grade to decide the status of her citizenship and pilots license. Please desist in this pointless and shameful argument.

Does the State need to "denounce" every low level criminal for us to engage them?
Does the State need to "denounce" every gurista, every gallentean supporter, every FDU member for us to engage them and kill?
They are enemies of the State by what they do, not by what the State tells us they are.

She has shown her hostility towards Caldari State and our military forces. She has shown her lack of honor that every Caldari should have. Considering her as a Caldari is damaging to the image of good Caldari citizens. It is the same as saying Jita scammers in Jita are Caldari. Everyone should know who she is, and there is nothing wrong in pointing and shaming those, who try to deceive others.

I am not the one who works with papers, ma'am.
I am the one who seeks out and confronts enemies of the State.
By any means necessary.


Actually, yes. Yes the State does infact have to officially denounce her, as it did with a certain scientist. As it did with Heth after he was removed from office. As it does with every Gurrista by allowing CONCORD to issue bounties for capsuleers to collect, and hell even produces ESS systems for pilots to aquire both loyalty points and bonus ISK when fighting baseliner pirates. I also remember PLEX bounty rewards being issued against some Caldari for stealing carriers and super carriers. The fact remains, for someone to be considered a criminal and an outcast, the paperwork must be signed and made. The conviction has to be established. The announcement has to be made.

You are not the judge and jury, or the paperwork processor, as you have admitted Kim, so if you genuinely feel Ms Priano is somehow an enemy of the State I recommend a petition to the relevant authorities. You can find their contact details in the link below.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179775&find=unread

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Yarosara Ruil
#72 - 2015-10-14 10:43:26 UTC
Not satisfied with actively provoking me, someone felt obligated to run my good name through the mud.

Since the first moment, I've been compared to the Strike Commander, as if complete loyalty to the State was her trademark and nobody else should attempt it.

I am not to blame for whatever transgressions you might think Commander Kim inflicted on you all, nor am I to be treated like I was her proxy. I am my own person, following my own creeds and values. If you object me as an individual, you are free to do so, but trying to "talk me out" as if that would change anything, will only show how much of a fool you are.

I will not pretend I like Pirate scum or Gallente filth for the sake of political correctness or to avoid raising tension. We are at war, and I will not suffer their presence quietly. If you can't accept this, or would rather hold hands with murderers and criminals in harmony, that is your choice to make. I've made my choice already on this matter.

Provoke me, and I'll reply in kind. Attack me, and I'll retaliate. Do me wrong, and I'll do whatever I can to see justice is met.

Makoto Priano, the actions you and your associates made against me have humiliated me deeply. This is unforgivable and it will not stand. For now, I'll disregard your existance and contributions completely, in respect to your request. I will not bother you or associates in public feeds any further.

But know this. One day my training will be over, and when that day comes, I'm coming for your head. And neither diplomacy nor words will save you. This I vow.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#73 - 2015-10-14 10:55:24 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:

Actually, yes. Yes the State does infact have to officially denounce her, as it did with a certain scientist. As it did with Heth after he was removed from office. As it does with every Gurrista by allowing CONCORD to issue bounties for capsuleers to collect, and hell even produces ESS systems for pilots to aquire both loyalty points and bonus ISK when fighting baseliner pirates. I also remember PLEX bounty rewards being issued against some Caldari for stealing carriers and super carriers. The fact remains, for someone to be considered a criminal and an outcast, the paperwork must be signed and made. The conviction has to be established. The announcement has to be made.

You are not the judge and jury, or the paperwork processor, as you have admitted Kim, so if you genuinely feel Ms Priano is somehow an enemy of the State I recommend a petition to the relevant authorities. You can find their contact details in the link below.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179775&find=unread

Well, you see, Mr. Onzo, it would be ridiculously inefficient if I had to put petition about any person that attacks the State to get reply that they are valid targets before firing at them, just staring at them wide eyed as they are passing by...

Lets imagine a simple situation, let it be in space, since we are capsuleers and it is somewhat familiar to us. I am staying in my ship, relaxing near a station. A neutral ship comes by, locks me and begins firing. Should I petition it to a State authority? Well, I would be pretty much dead if I lose time, so I choose to act as 'judge and jury' and return fire to the offender.

Then I offered to the offender to 'solve it as a honorable Caldari would', because I thought that pilot was Caldari, but that person would say 'they don't care, and they would just shoot me becasue they want'. Well, my next action? Petition them now? No, I would just mark them red and shoot them at sight first. Because I really have a work to do and don't need official permission to shoot any lowlife that behaves with hostility against Caldari pilots.

And that's basically the situation with Priano, just instead of ships she attacked me in media. She declined the solution, so I kind of 'marked her red' and 'shooting at sight'.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#74 - 2015-10-14 11:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Utari Onzo
I'm not saying you can't shoot at other Pilots, God knows any Pilot can engage another so long as they accept possible consequences such as suspect status or criminal status depending on the system they engage in. I am simply pointing out you calling her an enemy of the State doesn't make it official, so if you want it to be official you have to make the petition. Until a judgement by the relevant authorities is decided, her status officially will be a citizen of the State and an enemy of your personal self.

Of course, you can very much continue accusing her of being an enemy of the State and provide evidence supporting your claim she is a threat to the State, but for the most part this seems more like a personal honour problem rather then Priano being a real threat to Caldari infrastructure and citizens.

Additional note:

The State has a Standings policy where by pilots who do infact commit actions in space against the State can be punished by having access to Caldari hisec systems revoked under pain of ship destruction by the Navy. Futher, in your example of a neutral pilot engaged you first, so long as your security standing is in good order they would immediately incur a suspect status trigger allowing you lawful retaliation.

In Priano's case, I know both her security status and standing to the State in an official capacity are in good order so the only way you could legally open fire upon her without incuring a criminal or suspect timer yourself would be if a) she aggressed first or b) you managed to petition to the relevant authorities and they made a decision to adjust both security status and standing to allow you to engage her. Such actions by CONCORD and the State are not unheard of as Ms Priano herself was subject to the threat of being made -10 by CONCORD not that long ago, but happily that issue has been resolved to all parties satisfaction.

As for trying to use this method of logic by way of attacks on the IGS, I'm not sure your efforts will be fuitful in actually seeing personal honour and justice against an accused enemy of the State done aside from more pointless thread derails and arguments. A petition to get her officially made an enemy of the State would, if it was successfull, do more for you then the constant posting and reposting of that thread you were so upset by. But then again, such a petition could be ignored as well, and in my personal belief that because this is an honour issue between individuals, it will be ignored.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#75 - 2015-10-14 13:24:26 UTC
Mr. Onzo, you are paying too much credit to her. She is not THAT important. Indeed, such petition would be either ignored or officials would tell me in rather rude manner to go kill some gallentes and do not pester them with this crap anymore. And I would look stupid.

Besides, I would simply like to explain my position once again, as I think this discussion was caused by misunderstanding. I do not name her enemy of the State from the whole State point of view, as official "standing" towards her. I am pointing at her hostile behavior against us and calling her enemy as result of her own personal choice de facto, not de jure.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#76 - 2015-10-14 13:57:50 UTC
Thank you for your clarification Ms Kim. I will have to take future references to Enemy of the State with a pinch of salt and understanding that it is your personal opinion. It's my fault for assuming you claimed official capacity for these matters.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#77 - 2015-10-14 14:22:35 UTC
Mr. Onzo...
It is not "personal opinion", it is a statement of hostile act towards us.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Esil Skor
Doomheim
#78 - 2015-10-14 14:46:02 UTC
What exactly is the difference between an enemy of the state and an enemy of Miss. Kim?

It does rather appear that she just brands anyone she disagrees with as "an enemy of the state" in order to have an excuse for ranting at them.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#79 - 2015-10-14 15:02:55 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Mr. Onzo...
It is not "personal opinion", it is a statement of hostile act towards us.



Ah, forgive my misunderstanding. Could you please clarify by "us" do you mean the "us" of the personal you, or the "us" of all Caldari?

If it is the latter, could you specifically outline exactly where Ms Priano declared hostilities toward the State, or engaged in hostile actions specifically towards the State? As far as the search goes on the subject, it appears she slighted your personal honour in your opinion. Now I'm not a legal expert, but I'm unaware of the law that states slighting a singular officer's honour as being a hostile act against an entire nation or peoples. You debatably have a case against her for personal restitution but to go to the length of enemy of the state requires something a little more concrete.

Further, if her status has not been made official as an enemy of all Caldari, then it really is an opinion since you yourself admitted it carries no official weight from the powers that be. Now, you can try to convince the majority of loyal Caldari pilots on this forum that she is indeed their enemy, and if that were the case and most of the Caldari Bloc of pilots distanced themselves from her, then I would accept that de facto she was an enemy. Sadly for your case, it appears that many many Caldari and State loyalists are more then happy to work with Ms Priano so a de facto status is hard to prove, therefore your only recourse to make such an accusation stick beyond your personal opinion and those that agree with it would be a de jure, official, censure.

Please understand I am not accusing you of anything improper, or saying Ms Priano has not slighted you, but if every officer of the State was allowed to arbitrarily make someone an enemy of the state without getting proper backing from the powers that be, how many Caldari individuals who might have said the wrong words to their fellow man would need to be attacked and destroyed? Lord knows I upset a couple of my cousins in the State with some ill thought words, does that make me a traitor?

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Sylphy Mochizuki
Doomheim
#80 - 2015-10-14 15:11:45 UTC
*sigh* I give up.....

*Grabs the electric kettle and makes tea*

With this cup may the dishonor to our people begotten on these forums be washed away.

*Drinks the tea and collapses*