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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#41 - 2015-10-13 22:40:57 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

1. Yes. Provided I was getting an order from superior officer or merited non hostile person.
2. Somewhere far from civilized places. Maybe under gallentean boot.
3. Well, then I will say again that you are worthless.
4. Amounted to Strike Commander of Caldari State.
5. I am more like a scalpel who cuts real cancer that are people of your ilk.

You get what you have earned, you made your choice and you will live with it, so please stop crying.


1) I have never witnessed this. I suspect, similarly, many on this forum have not witnessed it, given your regular, recurring tendency to turn many conversations into tirades against entire races of people, or against those you feel slighted by. Please demonstrate examples.

2) Um. K. Whatever.

3) And yet I've somehow amounted to more than you.

4) Congratulations. How many thousands of those are there? And how many of those fly stealth bombers and serve no benefit to the state? By this, I mean to say this: I freely acknowledge that you are a capable combat pilot. But in this august Intergalactic Summit, a ceremonial rank demonstrates near enough to nothing. Even I hold the rank of 'captain' per the militia, despite my brief periods in service, and despite my not being an accomplished combat pilot. By this I mean to say, your rank means little.

5) Really? How? By linking a post you've been repeatedly and resoundingly mocked for? By turning nearly every conversation you participate into a farce? Because as much as I wish this weren't the case, there isn't a damned thing either of us can do to silence each other.

Crying. That's rich.

1. Not my problem. Use search button.
3. Lie.
4. Ranks are who we are. As for direct merits, there are public record and history. Not going into that direction. Who would be interested in me would be able to find themselves. Use search button.
5. By showing bad people their place. As for whom making a farce instead of conversation - look into mirror.
And stop posting.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#42 - 2015-10-13 22:44:11 UTC
Tell you what, Kim.

I'll stop posting in the Summit so long as you never post, also. Consider it a service to the State if you will. I'll consider it a service to the whole of humanity on my part.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2015-10-13 22:54:23 UTC
You are not in the position to demand anything, Makoto.

And should you be polite and respectful citizen, I wouldn't mind talking to you at all. But after you have presented yourself - not anymore.

I'll retain my ability to attack anyone who shows hostility towards Caldari in any way I'll see fit. Would it be in ships, in person or in words, in neocom channels or in the Summit. And you are one of those who have earned to be treated with hostility on sight.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#44 - 2015-10-13 22:56:46 UTC
Demand? No, I offer. Because we make deals. It's what Caldari do.

Well, except for you. But then you're a poor approximation of the Caldari villain in a Gallentean children's cartoon.

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Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2015-10-13 23:01:08 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Demand? No, I offer. Because we make deals. It's what Caldari do.

Well, except for you. But then you're a poor approximation of the Caldari villain in a Gallentean children's cartoon.


You can't deny that those villains are entertaining though. While these portrayals do a disservice to the State, they are funny.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#46 - 2015-10-13 23:02:20 UTC
Well, your offer is way too poor.
Trying to buy ability to speak of Caldari officer by ability to speak of a honorless and coward liar, who shouldn't be even treated as Caldari anymore?
Think before you offer next time.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#47 - 2015-10-13 23:05:24 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Demand? No, I offer. Because we make deals. It's what Caldari do.

Well, except for you. But then you're a poor approximation of the Caldari villain in a Gallentean children's cartoon.


You can't deny that those villains are entertaining though. While these portrayals do a disservice to the State, they are funny.


In some rare cases, they do make a fair caricature of Provists, the single-minded madmen who would rather destroy Caldari Prime than see it lost. Kim, despite denying that she's a Provist, is very much like that sort of caricature.

But in most cases, real people don't behave that way.


Diana Kim wrote:
Well, your offer is way too poor.

Trying to buy ability to speak of Caldari officer by ability to speak of a honorless and coward liar, who shouldn't be even treated as Caldari anymore?

Think before you offer next time.


Really? I offered you the ability to silence someone who you and you alone declare as non-Caldari, an enemy of the state. I'd assumed that sort of thing would be your sort of deal.

But if you prefer to continue blathering ceaselessly, well, carry on.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#48 - 2015-10-13 23:17:24 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:

Diana Kim wrote:
Well, your offer is way too poor.

Trying to buy ability to speak of Caldari officer by ability to speak of a honorless and coward liar, who shouldn't be even treated as Caldari anymore?

Think before you offer next time.


Really? I offered you the ability to silence someone who you and you alone declare as non-Caldari, an enemy of the state. I'd assumed that sort of thing would be your sort of deal.

But if you prefer to continue blathering ceaselessly, well, carry on.

"Ability to silence", eh? Well, starting that it wasn't even exchange, it was barely worth at all.
You see, since you are an honorless liar (and I use it not as insult in current context) - you have an ability to lie without risking your honor. This means that directly after such trade you would be easily able to break it whenever you want without losing anything.
And for me my honor does worth more than my life.

Oh, and it wasn't me who just declared you an enemy. It was your choice and your declaration.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#49 - 2015-10-13 23:18:33 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
But then you're a poor approximation of the Caldari villain in a Gallentean children's cartoon.


Honestly this whole conversation reminds me of some Gallante sitcom I saw a while ago. I can almost hear the studio audience after reading every post.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#50 - 2015-10-13 23:25:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

"Ability to silence", eh? Well, starting that it wasn't even exchange, it was barely worth at all.
You see, since you are an honorless liar (and I use it not as insult in current context) - you have an ability to lie without risking your honor. This means that directly after such trade you would be easily able to break it whenever you want without losing anything.
And for me my honor does worth more than my life.

Oh, and it wasn't me who just declared you an enemy. It was your choice and your declaration.


Oh, it's simple. We'd agree to not post. We'd both stop posting. If one of us started posting, then the other is no longer silenced, and can freely declare that the first is-- well, whatever they please. However, you've clearly established that silencing someone that you declare an enemy of the state is less important than being able to hear yourself speak. That seems perhaps a bit... self-important? Almost as if you're prideful and selective about your espoused service to the state.

That said, fairly sure there are a few logical fallacies in those statements of yours.

For instance, let me declare this; I state I am of average and reasonable honor, attempting to honor deals in as timely and reasonable a fashion as possible but human and not without foible, and am indeed a State citizen in good standing, doing service to my corporation. I do so declare.

I am, of course, always an enemy of ultranationalists. You just happen to be one. That I am your enemy does not make me an enemy of the State, which I serve happily and freely.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#51 - 2015-10-13 23:43:19 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:

Oh, it's simple. We'd agree to not post. We'd both stop posting. If one of us started posting, then the other is no longer silenced, and can freely declare that the first is-- well, whatever they please. However, you've clearly established that silencing someone that you declare an enemy of the state is less important than being able to hear yourself speak. That seems perhaps a bit... self-important? Almost as if you're prideful and selective about your espoused service to the state.

Self important would be your offer.
I fight ALL enemies of the State, not just you, like you think or whatever. You are not important for me. There are many others who I fight against as well, who are way more dangerous and mean more and doing way more harm. You are just an... inconvenience. And no, It doesn't take me a lot of effort of putting you down to your place linking over and over again how you disgraced yourself in case you would try to represent yourself as 'honorable citizen' for any others who didn't hear about your affairs before.

Makoto Priano wrote:

That said, fairly sure there are a few logical fallacies in those statements of yours.

For instance, let me declare this; I state I am of average and reasonable honor, attempting to honor deals in as timely and reasonable a fashion as possible but human and not without foible, and am indeed a State citizen in good standing, doing service to my corporation. I do so declare.

I am, of course, always an enemy of ultranationalists. You just happen to be one. That I am your enemy does not make me an enemy of the State, which I serve happily and freely.

Well, that makes you liar one more time. Actually more than just one time.

Cmon, really. How someone lying about others can claim in other place she is of "average and reasonable honor"? Not talking about losing it completely failing to meet for any form of conflict solving.

"Attempting to honor". Yea... Attempting to honor.

"you just happen to be ultranationalist" - another stupid lie.

I am just a soldier fighting for the State and fighting enemies of the State. Attack on one of us is attack on the whole, and attack on one of us is standing together with enemies.

You have attacked Caldari on public without any reason, and now you WILL bear the consequences.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Sylphy Mochizuki
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-10-13 23:48:59 UTC
For the love of all things.... You both sound like children. Please stop this nonsense, before you dig the image of our people a deeper grave to lay in.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#53 - 2015-10-13 23:55:26 UTC
Makoto should not be considered as Caldari anymore. In the State we don't tolerate such dishonor, if she wouldn't be a capsuleer she would be fired and/or exiled.

Thus whatever she does say must not be confused for words of Caldari and must not affect image of any Caldari.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#54 - 2015-10-13 23:59:42 UTC
Sylphy Mochizuki wrote:
For the love of all things.... You both sound like children. Please stop this nonsense, before you dig the image of our people a deeper grave to lay in.


Apologies, Mochizuki-haani. It is extremely difficult to not engage with Kim when she engages in such prolific posting on this forum, and with such fallacious logic.

I'll desist.

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Sylphy Mochizuki
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-10-14 00:06:21 UTC
Miss Kim, until such time as the state denounces her, she is Caldari and should be given due civility by fellow citizens of the state. I'm fairly certain that it is beyond your pay grade to decide the status of her citizenship and pilots license. Please desist in this pointless and shameful argument.

Miss Priano, thank you for your cooperation and understanding.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2015-10-14 00:15:43 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Sylphy Mochizuki wrote:
For the love of all things.... You both sound like children. Please stop this nonsense, before you dig the image of our people a deeper grave to lay in.


Apologies, Mochizuki-haani. It is extremely difficult to not engage with Kim when she engages in such prolific posting on this forum, and with such fallacious logic.

I'll desist.


Logic? What logic?

Caldari supremacy! Won through Daredevils and Confessors!

I am the very model of a Caldari Strike Commander and I can't comprehend the Pi!

I am most honourable and I engage Probes in Caracals and throw a tantrum about it when the Probe gave me a slip!

I will not undock to engage a Breacher unless I am in a far superior ship or I have a million friends!

You all don't agree with me therefore you are all wrong and stupid!

I scream and rave and make pointless accusations and call the Matari 'Savage Tribal' for pointing it all out!

She's only really holding onto that useless rank of hers just to make herself feel better.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Sylphy Mochizuki
Doomheim
#57 - 2015-10-14 00:46:07 UTC
Mr. Egivand, please don't encourage this.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2015-10-14 01:36:47 UTC
Sylphy Mochizuki wrote:
Mr. Egivand, please don't encourage this.


But that's the point of this thread's existence.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Sylphy Mochizuki
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-10-14 01:48:01 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Sylphy Mochizuki wrote:
Mr. Egivand, please don't encourage this.


But that's the point of this thread's existence.

It's just getting embarrassing for all of us now.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#60 - 2015-10-14 02:53:13 UTC
Sylphy Mochizuki wrote:

It's just getting embarrassing for all of us now.


Regrettably, this thread was the imperfect solution to the problem of such exchanges spreading across multiple threads in the Summit. Ideally, the exchanges will be shifted here, or people can say, "Stop. Go there," and stop the exchange.

In any case, the ideal is to simply not poke the bear, but the bear is often some poke for amusement at the expense of all others.

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